Self control...

[skidMark]

Motorcross/trail riding would be an excellent thing to do, no cops on a dirt track & a lot less chance of hurting others, an excellent suggestion Kev

i break enough bones as it is! LOL

[Boob Johnson]

i break enough bones as it is! LOL

Clearly you don't

[Marmoot]

Trying to teach a hoon some self-control is similar to asking a wife-beater to be nice


It has to come from within the person.

[MSTRS:Me]

when did i say i refused advice, i choose to take the good bits and ignore the bullshit and i thank those that have given me advice that i will use when i am riding again, so now that the thread gone down the shitter like everythread i make...

thankyou those that helped, i'm not sticking round in this thread, i don't want to be dug into.

Actions speak louder than words....

Good bits??? WTF

Thanks that mean something would be that you actually put into practice what you've been 'taught' here.

Edit: I see you're still here (and posting). Can't be relied on for anything huh??

[Tank]

Isnt this all a waste of time and energy anyway. If I remember Mark is up for dangerous riding and lost his bike.

So assuming he doesn't have a licence anymore (god willing), unless he can pedal really, really fast he isnt going to overtake anyone.

Best case .....After 6 or 9 months watching other people riding like idiots whilst on his pushbike or out the window of the number 43 bus he may start realise how stupid it is and maybe, just maybe learn a lesson?

Worse case - (but Im guessing the more likely given his track record)... I predict we see a "I got caught speeding without a licence" thread coming this way soon

[pritch]

I saw the link "Self control-skidmark" and thought I gotta read this.

It's a shame I'm at work and haven't got time to read the whole thread yet.
There are some good suggestions in there though.

The latest BIKE mag has a small piece on the mental approach to riding but it isn't worth $14.50 just to get that item.

When I am undertaking a trip of several hours duration I will have worked out a couple of magic words which I repeat to myself in an attempt to stop myself getting too rash during the journey. Perhaps SM if you were to sort a couple of words and repeat them to yourself before any ride.

I also have "posters" I made at my desk to remind me of a couple of things which could cost me money if ignored...

[SPman]

I told you once before - as you get older you can see more of the future.
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Because there's less of it to see....?

Don't control it Mark....give in to the dark side.....when you see a gap - go for it! Wind on that throttle - you know you want to! If you see a cop car - pass it! Being under control is like being in chains - go out with a flourish!

[marty]

Get a track bike & keep the stoopid shit for the track.. thats what tracks are for . If you can't do that then take up skydiving or something else thats gives you a rush. The road isn't the place for crazy dumbarse tricks, the cemetary is full of guys that rode just like you do.... you really want to go there ????

actually, recommending stupid stuff on the track is pretty fucking stupid itself. not to mention being stupid skydiving! now there's one sport that needs sensibility and self control - can't pull over to the roadside to have a think about what you're going to do next if it's not going well for you.

there's a difference between being fast, and being stupid, and if mark turned up at a race/trackday where i was riding, or out to the drop zone i jump at, and behaved like he did on the road, i'm sure i'll only be about 10th in a very long line waiting to thump him.

[skidMark]

actually, recommending stupid stuff on the track is pretty fucking stupid itself. not to mention being stupid skydiving! now there's one sport that needs sensibility and self control - can't pull over to the roadside to have a think about what you're going to do next if it's not going well for you.

there's a difference between being fast, and being stupid, and if mark turned up at a race/trackday where i was riding, or out to the drop zone i jump at, and behaved like he did on the road, i'm sure i'll only be about 10th in a very long line waiting to thump him.

how did you get into my thoughts lol

[hospitalfood]

tie a bit of fishing line around your nuts, run it out of your fly and around the throttle from the underside up, as you twist the power on you cause yourself pain. don't tie it to your cock by mistake. If pain turns you on this will not work.

[DMNTD:Me]

...I have to get myself under control....

REPOST!!!!

[Boob Johnson]

a riding course teaches you skills on controlling the bike, i already have those

Please tell me your kidding? Your 20 & have learned all the skills possible??? So your one of the few people in the world that can ride for a year or so & master the art so much so that you don't need to learn anymore skills? Give us a break. Your wanting advice...........well your statement there rings MASSIVE alarm bells mate.


Have a real good think about your statement Mark.


You won't like to here this but you are a kid, a kid with a lot to learn. People can ride for years & are still learning new things, honing their skills. A young fella like yourself has a long way to go before he can be arrogant/ignorant enough to actually believe he has learned all there is to no.

What's so bad about going to the Morge? I think that's an excellent idea, im a lil squeemish myself but if I were your father or brother I would drag you there kicking & screaming if need be as it might be one of things that will save your life because nothing is getting through to you Mark. Your getting your 15mins (or should I say 15 threads) of fame but completely ignoring all the good advice & even having the cheek to call some of it bullshit?


Wise the FUCK up kiddo

[DMNTD:Me]

On a slightly more serious note that hopefully you can relate to...

[ceebie13]

The more I read here, the more the words horse, dead and flogging come to mind.

[Ixion]

Who put this into PD? A remarkably illadvised decision IMHO. A young man making a very sensible request for advice is NEVER either pointless or drivel. No mater how fruitless the result may be, the attempt is always worth making. And even those posts which make no helpful contribution are not pointless, since they provide an insight into both how others may view Mark's behaviour (for his benefit) and their own attitudes (for the benefit of the rest of us). Noone should EVER give up on trying to help a young rider. Whichever mod did it should be ashamed of him(her)self.

Mark, firstly, you''re an idiot. I think that is universally established. Don't sweat it, I am too, as are almost all real bikers. And moreover you know you're an idiot, which is a good start on the path to self awareness (if you ever get there, send me directions).

Now, many (most?) of the responses on this thread are pious hypocirsy. All these dudes on sprotsbikes with a top speed of 250+. Who NEVER break the speed limit. Yeah, right, Tui anyone. And the folk on learners licences riding litre bikes (because they've smashed up their 250s, which clearly proves they know how to ride). So you may give them such weight as they may deserve.

You ask how you can learn self control. And certainly, you need to. But the reality is that you never will. I do not say that to bash you. I have never learned it. I do not think any real biker ever does. That is why we are bikers. Sooner or later the itch to unleash the spirit of freedom will overcome you. The only ones immune to it are not really bikers they are the RUBs and BAFAs, who I do not classify as bikers.

What you can do is to learn to pick your time and place. Sit down and think out (even write down), what is a suitable time and place for all the various "uncontrolled" things. And where is NOT a suitable time and place. Where is the time and place for wheelies? For moderate (110-140) speeding? For serious speeding (walking if you get caught) ? And also the times and places that are not suitable.

Then, when the impulse to cut loose comes over you, think "Is this the time and place I decided on ? No, I'll wait until a better" . Or, "Yes, it is! Let's GO "

This does not guarantee that you will not crash or injure yourself. But your record on that score is better than many anyway. Nor that you will escape the attention of the law. That is a risk that can never be entirely discounted. But it does greatly reduce the risk of bad results. And it is much easier to defer the itch-to-hoon than to suppress it completely.

And, when the time or place is not right, then to escape boredom, glory in being a Nana. Watch other drivers for errors, and tut tut at them (don't waste time trying to do anything it is a waste of time anyway.) Just note their bad driving and feel superiour. Shake your head, point out the wrongdoer to others. You will find that focusing on the faults of other drivers you will be much less tempted to err yourself. And the time trial is an excellent idea, offering a self-excuse to turn up the wick when running behind,whilst forcing you to slow down when ahead of time. Just note your departure time, and say to yourself "I will pass point X along the way at exactly such a time. Point Y at such a time". Aim for a fast but not stupid average. Practice countersteering round the manhole covers. Play games with cagers heads. Lots of possibilities. Use y'imagination. If you come up behinf a cage and the time-place is not right to blast apst, don't Instead stop, wait a bit and have a little bet with yourself on how long it will take you to catch the cage up again. I use a formula of "so many minutes of catching up for each minute stopped".

Tell everybody not how fast you are, but how slow you are. Thus you have nothing to prove. And being overtaken by a Nana is far more ignominious than being overtaken by a professedly fast rider.

Final suggestion if all else fails ? Get a road legal chook chaser. Top speed is low enough that there is little risk of major strife. The cops ignore you anyway because you don't fit the picture of a speed maniac. And the amount of serious hoonery you can get up to once you are not confined to the actual road is unbelievable.

Works for me.

And +1 for what mr Canarlee said.

EDIT : RUB - Rich Urban Biker. BAFA Bike As fashion Accessory . The Weekend Warriors.