An opinion

[Virago]

I blame the man on the grassy knoll...

[Grahameeboy]

I concur
agree
am happy with how things are run....

The only posts of mine that got moved were way back in the days of the Scottish thread

No more Scottish threads.......change is good

[Sidewinder]

No more Scottish threads.......change is good

dont mok the kelt and hairy ass son

[merv]

I still hate seeing threads that in my view were harmless moved to PD. It wouldn't be so bad if PD wasn't that dumb colour and was still a worthwhile place to talk. We have the rant and rave and joke threads etc but it seems like too many rant and rave stuff gets viewed as pointless and moved, but hell that's what much social interaction is in a group just any old random talk. This has made the place less funny as some above had said - why do we have to be so damn serious?

Like why was Lilsel's It's after 3am thread put there when it seemed harmless and while I wasn't up at that time why can't those that are communicate in a proper forum thread if they wish?

I just feel uncomfortable with so much stuff getting interfered with it doesn't seem like how I think this community should operate if it was to feel natural.

[Grahameeboy]

dont mok the kelt and hairy ass son

Nah its in the wash and I shaved last night.............."Cò an caora sin còmhla riut a chunnaic mi an-raoir?"

[Sidewinder]

I still hate seeing threads that in my view were harmless moved to PD. It wouldn't be so bad if PD wasn't that dumb colour and was still a worthwhile place to talk. We have the rant and rave and joke threads etc but it seems like too many rant and rave stuff gets viewed as pointless and moved, but hell that's what much social interaction is in a group just any old random talk. This has made the place less funny as some above had said - why do we have to be so damn serious?

Like why was Lilsel's It's after 3am thread put there when it seemed harmless and while I wasn't up at that time why can't those that are communicate in a proper forum thread if they wish?

I just feel uncomfortable with so much stuff getting interfered with it doesn't seem like how I think this community shoudl operate if it was to feel natural.

i agree PD does suck just a lill. by the way JONI made up PD

[smoky]

....It's clear that some Mods have used their position to advance their own agendas....

Like what? How has this site advanced someone’s agenda?
Or are you saying the thread reflects the opinion and ideology of the current mods?
What ya on about here? If a Mod does something you object about; then make a noise about it then (like Hitcher tossing the Hamilton thread in PD). Feed back and open comments at the time (well expressed) will generally educate the mods on how to run the site, hopefully.

[Sidewinder]

Like what? How has this site advanced someone’s agenda?
Or are you saying the thread reflects the opinion and ideology of the current mods?
What ya on about here? If a Mod does something you object about; then make a noise about it then (like Hitcher tossing the Hamilton thread in PD). Feed back and open comments at the time (well expressed) will generally educate the mods on how to run the site, hopefully.

nah the more you say the more they put in PD

[Ixion]

Obviously, I'm going to agree with Mr Giradin. And his opinion is of particular significance, because he was completely out of the loop during the meltdown from which the New Kiwibiker was born. So he has a uniquely objective view of old and new.

Mr Giradin, perhaps without realising it, has summed the issue up in a single word. "This was a biker site". Was. It was "a site for all New Zealand motorcyclists" . Now it is not.

KB used to be a place where anyone who rode a bike was welcome. Anyone could come along and say their piece, subject to a few simple rules, basically those that would govern the same people meeting at the pub. Get too out of line and the bouncers would sin bin you for a while. Other than that KB did indeed reflect the wide variety of people who ride motorcycles.It was an inclusive society.

Now that has changed.

It is claimed that some people took advantage this simplicity to abuse others. I never saw it myself, but that's not to say it didn't happen. But using that claim as a pretext, the Heaven Born have changed the dynamic of the site as a whole . They've not just removed the errant members, they've imposed their own view of what people should be ALLOWED to think and say. There's even a phrase a mod coined for it. Fit in or Fuck Off

So now it's not a "site for all New Zealand motorcyclists". It's a site for motorcyclists who share the opinions and conventions of the ruling elite - middle class, well to do, po-faced, conservative, right wing, pro-establishment, authoritarian. Those who don't share that weltgeist are not welcome - they don't Fit In , and it will be suggested that they should Fuck Off. It's now an exclusive society.

Many have argued "change happens". So it does, but not all change is for the better. Whether the change on Kiwibiker is for the better or not will depend on ones own social position and opinion. Those who share the middleclass high ground of the Heaven Born will think it a jolly good change. Some rabble rousing lower class trouble makers have been booted out, there's a lot less drivel (ie opinions that differ from middle class received wisdom) , it's all good. And they will post up their approval. As we see.

And those who are not of the elite? Those who don't Fit In ? Well, some of them won't really care, they'll just regard the site as a resource, somewhere to ask a question or check out a ride, not a community. The rest, well, they've taken the hint and Fucked Off. So there won't be much of a dissenting voice to spoil the snug complacency of the Heaven Born and their supporters.

Many have commented that the site has lost its humour. The banter and piss taking are gone. That's inevitable. How often do you hear such things at a Rotary meeting? Humour is the mechanism whereby the tensions implicit in an inclusive society are discharged. But when you have an exclusive society , like the new KB, you have no tensions ("Jolly good" say the supporters of the changes, "those who don't agree with us should just shut up and Fuck Off"). So no need for humour to defuse them. Everybody just sits around smugly agreeing with one another and congratulating each other.

Has anyone noticed that the old KB vocabulary has almost disappeared ? Seldom now does anyone prak their sprotsbike in the gargre with the touriers and crusiers. A private vocabulary (jargon) is one of the signs of a vital community. When it disappears, it is a good indication that the community is dying.

[Big Dave]

Ix - All that works if buy the 'community' thing.
I don't - it's a web site where I broadcast.
A communication tool and I endorse its rules.

[Grahameeboy]

Mr Giradin, perhaps without realising it, has summed the issue up in a single word. "This was a biker site". Was. It was "a site for all New Zealand motorcyclists" . Now it is not.

KB used to be a place where anyone who rode a bike was welcome. Anyone could come along and say their piece, subject to a few simple rules, basically those that would govern the same people meeting at the pub. Get too out of line and the bouncers would sin bin you for a while. Other than that KB did indeed reflect the wide variety of people who ride motorcycles.It was an inclusive society.



It is claimed that some people took advantage this simplicity to abuse others. I never saw it myself, but that's not to say it didn't happen. But using that claim as a pretext, the Heaven Born have changed the dynamic of the site as a whole . They've not just removed the errant members, they've imposed their own view of what people should be ALLOWED to think and say. There's even a phrase a mod coined for it. Fit in or Fuck Off

So now it's not a "site for all New Zealand motorcyclists". It's a site for motorcyclists who share the opinions and conventions of the ruling elite - middle class, well to do, po-faced, conservative, right wing, pro-establishment, authoritarian. Those who don't share that weltgeist are not welcome - they don't Fit In , and it will be suggested that they should Fuck Off. It's now an exclusive society.

Many have argued "change happens". So it does, but not all change is for the better. Whether the change on Kiwibiker is for the better or not will depend on ones own social position and opinion. Those who share the middleclass high ground of the Heaven Born will think it a jolly good change. Some rabble rousing lower class trouble makers have been booted out, there's a lot less drivel (ie opinions that differ from middle class received wisdom) , it's all good. And they will post up their approval. As we see.

And those who are not of the elite? Those who don't Fit In ? Well, some of them won't really care, they'll just regard the site as a resource, somewhere to ask a question or check out a ride, not a community. The rest, well, they've taken the hint and Fucked Off. So there won't be much of a dissenting voice to spoil the snug complacency of the Heaven Born and their supporters.

Many have commented that the site has lost its humour. The banter and piss taking are gone. That's inevitable. How often do you hear such things at a Rotary meeting? Humour is the mechanism whereby the tensions implicit in an inclusive society are discharged. But when you have an exclusive society , like the new KB, you have no tensions ("Jolly good" say the supporters of the changes, "those who don't agree with us should just shut up and Fuck Off"). So no need for humour to defuse them. Everybody just sits around smugly agreeing with one another and congratulating each other.

Has anyone noticed that the old KB vocabulary has almost disappeared ? Seldom now does anyone prak their sprotsbike in the gargre with the touriers and crusiers. A private vocabulary (jargon) is one of the signs of a vital community. When it disappears, it is a good indication that the community is dying.

I was going to reply to each point you made but then thought to myself......what a load of bollocks.

Maybe it is you who has changed Ixion and now your issues / views do not fit with the site..who knows.

Easy to blame others when we are not happy about something but at end of day it is your choice not the MODS....like I always say, it comes from within.

Not saying you are not a decent Bloke, cause you are.

[merv]

Good points Ixion. I don't think I have a bad bone in my body and I doubt I could have been blamed for abusing anyone so I am not one of the people that Ixion refers to about "fit in or fuck" off because I am happy to fit in anywhere but having been here for almost as long as Lou I do feel more uncomfortable with the place because I have seen too much fun stuff messed with. OK maybe because I'm a nice guy I miss the true shit, but many of the threads I've followed that seemed fine to me (a white middle class reasonably well off professional) have just gone phhhhttttt - off to PD never to appear on the New Posts list again. WTF for?

Could I suggest the mods just have a rest for a week and act like ordinary citizens and just let the threads wax and wane and then at the end of that trial period see whether that there is not a better life after all?

[janno]

I really enjoy KB - it's such a quick and easy way to meet likeminded people, especially when you've just moved back to NZ.

The ONLY complaint I have with this site is that PD is in red text, which I find impossible to read and therefore don't bother to try.

I think PD is a worthwhile function to have - just kill the red text!! Make it the same as the rest of the site.

Then you can have the conversations continuing if people wish.

Perhaps a poll on this? Or who would one direct a request to?

[Ixion]

Ix - All that works if buy the 'community' thing.
I don't - it's a web site where I broadcast.
A communication tool and I endorse its rules.

Correct.

Well, some of them won't really care, they'll just regard the site as a resource, somewhere to ask a question or check out a ride, not a community.

For those who see it as a resource (a communication tool if you rpefer) it makes little odds. But it was a community, and I , for one, thought that a GoodThing.Now it's not.

Maybe it is you who has changed Ixion and now your issues / views do not fit with the site..who knows.

Perhaps I have. But then so must also Messrs Giradin, Merv and others. And, even if I have changed, in the old KB it would not have mattered. It was inclusive. Room for all manner and conditions of men (and women of course). You implicity accept there that those who have the "wrong" views will be unwelcome. Which is exactly what the old KB never was. Everybody welcome.

[The Pastor]

I still hate seeing threads that in my view were harmless moved to PD. It wouldn't be so bad if PD wasn't that dumb colour and was still a worthwhile place to talk. .

HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH UTTER TRIPE. PD IS THE BEST PART OF KB.

Obviously, I'm going to agree with Mr Giradin. And his opinion is of particular significance, because he was completely out of the loop during the meltdown from which the New Kiwibiker was born. So he has a uniquely objective view of old and new.

Mr Giradin, perhaps without realising it, has summed the issue up in a single word. "This was a biker site". Was. It was "a site for all New Zealand motorcyclists" . Now it is not.

KB used to be a place where anyone who rode a bike was welcome. Anyone could come along and say their piece, subject to a few simple rules, basically those that would govern the same people meeting at the pub. Get too out of line and the bouncers would sin bin you for a while. Other than that KB did indeed reflect the wide variety of people who ride motorcycles.It was an inclusive society.

Now that has changed.

It is claimed that some people took advantage this simplicity to abuse others. I never saw it myself, but that's not to say it didn't happen. But using that claim as a pretext, the Heaven Born have changed the dynamic of the site as a whole . They've not just removed the errant members, they've imposed their own view of what people should be ALLOWED to think and say. There's even a phrase a mod coined for it. Fit in or Fuck Off

So now it's not a "site for all New Zealand motorcyclists". It's a site for motorcyclists who share the opinions and conventions of the ruling elite - middle class, well to do, po-faced, conservative, right wing, pro-establishment, authoritarian. Those who don't share that weltgeist are not welcome - they don't Fit In , and it will be suggested that they should Fuck Off. It's now an exclusive society.

Many have argued "change happens". So it does, but not all change is for the better. Whether the change on Kiwibiker is for the better or not will depend on ones own social position and opinion. Those who share the middleclass high ground of the Heaven Born will think it a jolly good change. Some rabble rousing lower class trouble makers have been booted out, there's a lot less drivel (ie opinions that differ from middle class received wisdom) , it's all good. And they will post up their approval. As we see.

And those who are not of the elite? Those who don't Fit In ? Well, some of them won't really care, they'll just regard the site as a resource, somewhere to ask a question or check out a ride, not a community. The rest, well, they've taken the hint and Fucked Off. So there won't be much of a dissenting voice to spoil the snug complacency of the Heaven Born and their supporters.

Many have commented that the site has lost its humour. The banter and piss taking are gone. That's inevitable. How often do you hear such things at a Rotary meeting? Humour is the mechanism whereby the tensions implicit in an inclusive society are discharged. But when you have an exclusive society , like the new KB, you have no tensions ("Jolly good" say the supporters of the changes, "those who don't agree with us should just shut up and Fuck Off"). So no need for humour to defuse them. Everybody just sits around smugly agreeing with one another and congratulating each other.

Has anyone noticed that the old KB vocabulary has almost disappeared ? Seldom now does anyone prak their sprotsbike in the gargre with the touriers and crusiers. A private vocabulary (jargon) is one of the signs of a vital community. When it disappears, it is a good indication that the community is dying.

I think you're half right.

I did enjoy kb A LOT better with all u old bastards giving out awesome advice to dicks like me etc, much more of a welcoming site. But kb is a victim of its own success the more people come the more chaos follows.

The mods are a bunch of wankers but thats how it is, why not change yourself and keep kb a better place? Nothing ever stays the same it always changes and you have to change yourself if you want to stay.

The fit in or fuck off comment i think was way outta line.

luckily thanks to RubberSideDown we have a place no one knows about where generally the mods don't stick there dick in, although i have gotten an infraction in there before. its a place where the shit from kb don't come in. Its really amazing