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Trumped up charges? You must know something we don't then. You must be either a. employed by the SIS or b. be the prime minister.Originally Posted by klingon
I suppose all the other countries that issued security notifications also colluded to originate "trumped up" charges too.
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Fair weather rider
I've got to agree there. The fact remains:Trumped up charges? You must know something we don't then. You must be either a. employed by the SIS or b. be the prime minister.
I suppose all the other countries that issued security notifications also colluded to originate "trumped up" charges too.
What do you think the purpose of the SIS is? If this doesn't justify investigating then what does? Shall we dissolve the SIS? They are obviously in existence without purpose if they were not meant to make something of this.He had convictions in France and Belgium for participating in and leading terrorist networks; had been deported from Switzerland, and excluded from the UK.
Oh wait forget it, he has a lovely smile and to top it off he's forgiven the NZ government! Forget all the legitimate immigrants with skills that are turned away. Maybe if they destroyed their docs and shouted at the top of their voices "REFUGEE" they'd have a better chance of getting in.
Its a sad day when you have a better chance getting into NZ illegally than legally.
Forum whore
Sorry - I don't think NZ is a joke, because of this. The SIS and certain members of the Government have been seen to be the joke that they are.But we don't know if the charges were trumped up, we, the public and payees, don't really know anything, that's the problem.
The whole thing is a fiasco, NZ is a joke because of it.John
People who have bought in to the whole US Neocon led "War of/on terror", might think NZ is a joke. People who beleive everything that the media and Gov. tell them, might think NZ is a joke. If you rely on your ego being maintained by macho posturing, you may think the same way.
The perceptions of many NZ'ers, of anyone from the Middle East as useless, fanatical lousy scumbags, who shouldn't be given the time of day, let alone allowed anywhere near Godzone, as people who are intent on causing murder, mayhem and mass destruction, an attitude continually (it seems) pushed, primped and postulated by sleazebag politicians and the media, is counterproductive and ultimately weakens the community.
Perhaps if "the West", stopped continually meddling greedily in Middle Eastern affairs and stopped continually playing God, we wouldn't be in the situation that has developed, but, it has and we are, so the only way to handle the situations that develop is with understanding of ALL the factors and intelligence (of BOTH types) - something that seems to have been lacking in this (and other) situations.
Zaoui was a University professor, who became an elected member of parliament in a government ousted by a military coup. As a member of a government in exile, of course he was portrayed as a subversive and attempts made by the Algerian Junta were made to discredit him and his compatriots. The fact that all the charges against him were token "slap on the wrist" quality, seems to have escaped the notice of most people, as does the fact that most of his "terrorist" compatriots have obtained residency in the USA!
As for being useless - I don't think so - he should have no trouble getting a decent job - he is intelligent and skilled.
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Forum whore
Sorry -as a person claiming political asylum - he came in legally!
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Fair weather rider
Cooleo. Would you suggest this to anyone you know trying to become a NZ citizen? If it's a "legit" way, why not?Sorry -as a person claiming political asylum - he came in legally!
Fair weather rider
OK, I'll do some research...Zaoui was a University professor, who became an elected member of parliament in a government ousted by a military coup. As a member of a government in exile, of course he was portrayed as a subversive and attempts made by the Algerian Junta were made to discredit him and his compatriots.
Now for more information of the Islamic Salvation Front.Ahmed Zaoui (Arabic: أحمد الزاوي) is an Algerian member of the Islamic Salvation Front[1] who was convicted on terrorism-related charges in Belgium and France.
Divorce Laws:
- A woman who wishes to be divorced usually needs the consent of her husband. However, most schools allow her to obtain a divorce without her husband's consent if she can show the judge that her husband is impotent. If the husband consents she does not have to pay back the dower.
- Men have the right of unilateral divorce. A divorce is effective when the man tells his wife that he is divorcing her. At this point the husband must pay the wife the "delayed" component of the dower.
Theft:
- In accordance with the Qur'an and several hadith, theft is punished by imprisonment or amputation of hands or feet, depending on the number of times it was committed and depending on the item of theft.
Adultery:
- In accordance with hadith, stoning to death is the penalty for married men and women who commit adultery.
Oh and this list could go on.
Great! Welcome him and his policies to our country!
I don't.
.....your time is coming
You have to actually be a refugee silly billy.
somebody seeking safe place: somebody who seeks or takes refuge in a foreign country, especially to avoid war or persecution
Sounds like he was a Refugee.
.....your time is coming
Don't criticise the Laws of other Countries.........those who cast stones.
Geeze the amount of recent complaining about our legal system and that we are going to the dogs..."lets shoot the bastards"..."lets castrate the bastards" etc..."we are too soft"...............
You may find that crime is lower because of these Laws.
Sorry, must go and enjoy living in NZ.
eschew obsification...
yes - i agree - they prevent recividism
someone who has been stoned to death is NEVER likely to commit adultery again
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Grass wedges its way between the closest blocks of marble and it brings them down. This power of feeble life which can creep in anywhere is greater than that of the mighty behind their cannons....... - Honore de Balzac
.....your time is coming
Well they get a chance to throw some back though.yes - i agree - they prevent recividism
someone who has been stoned to death is NEVER likely to commit adultery again
My view is that you live in a Country, you abide by their Laws so if you know that if you commit adultery, you will get stoned to death and you commit adultery then it's you own bloody fault.
Over here you commit adultery and get half the relationship property......
Now personally stoning is a waste of stones but you get my drift.
Just faidin away!
I think you have used my quote to vent further observations on this topic, fair enough, I don't object. Cheers John.
Fair weather rider
So do you agree with these "laws"?Don't criticise the Laws of other Countries.........those who cast stones.
Geeze the amount of recent complaining about our legal system and that we are going to the dogs..."lets shoot the bastards"..."lets castrate the bastards" etc..."we are too soft"...............
You may find that crime is lower because of these Laws.
Ahmed Zaoui supports these. I don't. NZ doesn't. Why is he being given preferential treatment?
Why the heck does he have to be a refugee? As SPman pointed out (I haven't checked) he is a Uni lecturer. Surely he can't be that bad off. Unless he's been participating with some particularly bad groups...Oops I think I just answered my own question...
is not a trout
Ahmed Zaoui does not support those laws.
He is, indeed, a university lecturer. He is a refugee because Algeria held elections, he was elected, the ruling party refused to give up power and imprisoned and tortured him.
His case has been looked into extensively by our authorities and in 2003 they found him to be a genuine refugee - if he had returned to Algeria he would have been killed.
Personally, I'm proud of New Zealand for showing humanity to those in genuine need, regardless of what country they come from. I am glad to welcome genuine refugees to this (relatively) peaceful country, and I do what I can to help them to settle and become a productive member of society.
Having read extensively about Mr Zaoui's case, and having put my own doubts to him and his lawyers and had all my questions answered to my satisfaction, I believe he is a genuine refugee and I'm happy to welcome him here.
I would be pleased to have him and his family as neighbours, and I would be pleased to have him as a colleague if the opportunity arose.
is not a trout
The security of our country is not a waste of money - it is extremely important. Which is why I get annoyed when money that should be spent on protecting us from genuine dangers is spent on keeping people like Ahmed Zaoui in prison. What a waste! Spend it on finding and stopping the real terrorists!
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