45 hours to find suspected murder victim. At home.

[COP_B8]

So just another case of beauracracy gone mad!! Sorry you need to fill out form "A" before you can search a murder scene , but if you havent got form 2a, you will have to see your supervisor and organise a 4c form then fill out a 5b to notify the judge you have a 7b!!! Confused FUCK YEAH!!!
I can only imagine what the fuzz feel like they probably all knew she'd been stuffed in the boot of the car!!!
At least these asian immigrants are really tidy when they commit homicide they either stuff them in a suitcase neatly folded or pack them in the boot of a car no messy bodies lying around in the streets!

Beauracracy gone mad............. Basic Human Rights more to the point, like the right to have your car parked on the street and police officers not inspect it when and if they please.

What would your attitude towards the police have been had they bowled in, found the body and then the murderer acquited on the inadmissability of the evidence????

[marty]

To be honest if the cops broke into my house because they were searching for someone who might be in serious danger I would probably be ok with it even if they got it wrong. I might request compensation for broken windows or whatever.

Regarding the reasonable cause part earlier - surely the cops had reasonable cause to believe she was in serious danger. And surely they had reasonable cause to believe their could be clues in the car. Which means they had reasonable cause to believe breaking into the car could save someone in danger. Does this really mean that they still have to get a warrant?

Still shouldn't take 2 days though, regardless.

surely surely surely...

i know, why don't you join up and become a detective and make all the right calls, all the time.

until you know a little more about the crimes act, the summary proceedings act, and how to conduct a murder investigation, i suggest your opinions are pretty naiive and based on watching too much tv.

don't forget, the whole of the country saw the chinese tv car on the news - did anyone ring up the police and say 'hey the body's in the car!'?

[Albino]

surely surely surely...

until you know a little more about the crimes act, the summary proceedings act, and how to conduct a murder investigation, i suggest your opinions are pretty naiive and based on watching too much tv.

Go back and read my post that i edited immediately after i typed it, i was asking for your input on how that worked.

BTW - At the time they were looking for her there was no murder investigation.

i know, why don't you join up and become a detective and make all the right calls, all the time.

So it was a cock up then, not a procedural issue?

[puddy]

Shit. Whatever you are doing for a job, you are wasted there. Join the Police! Too much talkback!

[Sollyboy]

Ya know with all the cop bashing and tall poppy bashing goingon in New Zealand could I ask a question?
If its such a problem people WHY NOT GET OFF YA ASS AND DO SOMETHING TO FIX IT ?????

What like carry out our own investigations etc etc?
Hey your not the frosty from Darby st days per chance?

[ynot slow]

Easy to be wise after the fact.Agree it seems stupid not to look at her home and vehicle,but as stated prior,if the protocol isn't correctly followed,then a good lawyer gets the case thrown out,we'd be up in arms at the cops for not handling it properly,and justifiably so.

[mstriumph]

Beauracracy gone mad............. Basic Human Rights more to the point, like the right to have your car parked on the street and police officers not inspect it when and if they please.

What would your attitude towards the police have been had they bowled in, found the body and then the murderer acquited on the inadmissability of the evidence????

it must be very frustrating sometimes, being a cop
and the first impulse must be to cross all the t's and dot the i's to avoid that i suppose

-------- but surely there's a happy medium there somewhere?

that child is going to have enough problems growing up mebbe thinking her daddy may have hurt her mummy WITHOUT also having to think about mummy stuffed in a car boot for a week or whatever? ........ thinking that mebbe she actually died in there and could have been saved if someone had found her sooner?

[Usarka]

Sounds like one for the philosophy students..

If some one is believed to be in serious danger, and is probably dead, but possibly alive and hurt, what is more important; finding the victim quickly and possibly destroying evidence in the process, or taking time to preserve evidence so you can catch/punish the offender?

interesting

[Skyryder]

I think one of problems with the delay is the Australian police were the first 'on the scene' so to speak. This was an abandonment inquery. As such they were no doubt unaware of the family background and the history of abuse inflicted on the mother by the father. NZ Police would have responded only to Aussie requests in the initial stages.

The Police were correct in obtaining a warrant before inspecting the car. If they have or do any thing wrong I'll be the first to slam them but in this case they have all by the book as they 'always' should.

Nothing Keystone about our Police Force, just a few who obtain the key when not having permission to do so.

Skyryder

[magicfairy]

The latest:
Auckland police have conceded they could have looked earlier at the car in which Anan Liu's body was found...
....Pearson told Newstalk ZB the inquiry team possibly took too long to look at the car owned by Liu's husband Nai Yin Xue, who is suspected of murdering her.

The car was seized from outside their address in Keystone Ave, Mount Roskill about 11pm on Tuesday night but the body in the boot was not found until 1pm on Wednesday.

"I accept the fact that we may have to take it on the chin that we could have looked at that car maybe a bit quicker," Pearson said.

"We were possibly too cautious in complying with all the regulations and rules and looking towards evidence for court.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4209985a10.html

[peasea]

I rarely come to the defence of the police but in this case, even though there's an admission they were somewhat tardy in searching the car, they were trying hard to get it right and had many different areas to search. If someone popped a member of my family I think I'd want the evidence gathered in such a way that it all stood up in court when and if the perp was caught.

They've been copping a lot of flak lately (justified or not) and making cockups is unlikely to be on their agenda.

A woman is dead, a child lost her mum and there's an arsehole on the loose. I, for one, would have no idea how to go about setting up a case against such an arsehole based on things like forensic evidence but I would bet it's very complicated. I think the public and the media are being a bit harsh and the benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Patrick]

it must be very frustrating sometimes, being a cop and the first impulse must be to cross all the t's and dot the i's to avoid that i suppose

-------- but surely there's a happy medium there somewhere?

Yes, it is called common sense... but there is no place for that in the courts....

[Grahameeboy]

I know, I mean if they had looked at the car, they may have stopped her dying eh?

The man thing is they were looking for this geezer and it went from a enquiry to a murder investigation....apart from that I cannot see what else would have changed if they had checked the car out first............or maybe it is not that simple!!

[Patrick]

Bet she was dead for days... stopped emailing her mum, which she did every day, 10 days before the kiddie was abandoned... but if she was dead for 10 days in the boot of the car, the journalist leaning against it would have been alerted to the smell. The blowies would also have given it away...

[Coldrider]

Trial by Media still going.