Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

**Mr Merde** · 14th August 2007, 23:08

Originally Posted by davereid

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr Merde again.

Thanks for the thought. I like to follow the rep as it gives me an indication as to how people are feeling. A lot of people dont come out and make statements in threads but do when giving bling. Good or bad.

I am a very opinionated person. After 50 years I have managed to form many opinions of my own and I quite often just blurt them out. What I do like about this board is that sometimes there are some very lively and heated debates. Its in these situations that i sometimes just like to stir the pot and see what bubbles up.

I admit that once or twice I have expressed an opinion that i personally dont really agree with or am only doing to take the "Michael' and have done this in an attempt to continue the debate. If this is considered Trolling then yes I plead guilty.

With respect to this thread i have been as honest as I am capable of. I actually feel empathy towards the young man who was placed in a situation where he felt that a violent reaction was the only way out. We have all been in situations where things have just gotten out of control and I feel that this has been one of those times for the chef. As to the youths who deliberately set out to intimidate, humiliate and frighten a person for their own self grandiosment, I feel nothing but contempt and sadness. Contempt because by doing this is the only way they can feel good about themselves and prove their self worth, sadness because I can see this sort of behaviour happening more and more often.

I tend to write thes little interludes of mine in a sudden burst. They always feel disjointed and very much like preaching, to me.

I feel the words in my head and have trouble verbalising what i am feeling.

Anyway BTT. And Thanks.

Mr

**Street Gerbil** · 15th August 2007, 09:27

Sorry folks, I *HAD* to do this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2253751.ece

"A devastated young daughter has paid tribute to the father she lost after he was beaten to death by a gang of youths.
The family of Garry Newlove, 47, released a letter from his daughter Amy, who is believed to be 12, which was written as he was dying in hospital.
She wrote: “I can’t get across how much I will miss you and I don’t know what I would do without you. You have always been there for me when I am down and you always put a smile on my face (even if it is a rubbish joke)."

**davereid** · 21st September 2007, 09:14

Quick summary of the story :

Its late at night, 21 year old chef Shyan Ricky Hill is on his way home in the bus with his uniform, hat and work knife.

6 Gang members are offended by his red shirt, and as they leave the bus they assault him.

They are armed with a flick knife, iron bars, a hammer and spanners.

They spit on him, throw a lighter at him and punch him in the face.

Mr. Hill defends himself by stabbing one of the gang with his chef knife.

Police charge him with attempted murder, and plea bargin it down to injuring with intent to get a guilty plea.

**Lias** · 21st September 2007, 09:22

Foreigners look at me funny when I tell them you have no right to defend yourself in NZ.

If it had been me I would have stabbed all 6 of the fuckers, not just one, and I'd have made sure I killed em!

**caesius** · 21st September 2007, 09:24

They are armed with a flick knife, iron bars, a hammer and spanners.

As long as that is true, its a crime that he's been charged.

**Swoop** · 21st September 2007, 09:27

A thread about this was started a while back. (this might appear as a single post, but the thread is 14 pages)
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...07&postcount=1

**The Pastor** · 21st September 2007, 09:48

hey dude man you gotta lax out man those poor troubled young gang members don't know any better dude you got to cut them some slack man, your beatin on them for no reason dude, think of the social concequences of actually punishing those guys for attacking that guy. I mean he did wear a red shirt in a crips town maaaan.

**idb** · 21st September 2007, 10:26

Originally Posted by renegade master

..........he did wear a red shirt in a crips town.........

Yeah, what an idiot...he was clearly asking for it...

**Hitcher** · 21st September 2007, 10:57

Originally Posted by Lias

Foreigners look at me funny when I tell them you have no right to defend yourself in NZ.

That's hardly surprising when an extremely liberal interpretation of the truth is used.

All New Zealanders have a right to defend themselves. The issue is what constitutes "reasonable force". And, as has been discussed to death in this thread previously, burying a 25cm chef's knife into somebody's chest cannot be rationalised as "reasonable force", hence why said chef has been convicted.

**Skyryder** · 21st September 2007, 11:14

Originally Posted by Hitcher

That's hardly surprising when an extremely liberal interpretation of the truth is used.

All New Zealanders have a right to defend themselves. The issue is what constitutes "reasonable force". And, as has been discussed to death in this thread previously, burying a 25cm chef's knife into somebody's chest cannot be rationalised as "reasonable force", hence why said chef has been convicted.

Bottom line on this is that you have to wait until you are killed before you can use reasonable force. That's bout the message this conviction and impending imprisonment is saying. This killing was not the result of the chef but a response to a previous assault by a gang member surounded by his mates. The chef was not carrying knives for his self defenc but they were on his person as a result of his trade. When one considers that there is on record the case of a farmer that shot a thief in the back and was found not guilty of murder, then the injustace of this conviction become apparent to all but the most one eyed.

Personly I think the young man's solicitor should be struck off for imcompatence .

Skyryder

PS and I should be be binned for my spelling. Ha ha

**PuppetMaster** · 21st September 2007, 11:32

Originally Posted by Hitcher

All New Zealanders have a right to defend themselves. The issue is what constitutes "reasonable force". And, as has been discussed to death in this thread previously, burying a 25cm chef's knife into somebody's chest cannot be rationalised as "reasonable force", hence why said chef has been convicted.

Why not. Regardless of the 6 v 1, he feared for his life, and his life was in danger, sounds like a reasonable defence to me. It was purely self defence, regardles of force.

**Lias** · 21st September 2007, 11:33

Originally Posted by Hitcher

That's hardly surprising when an extremely liberal interpretation of the truth is used.

All New Zealanders have a right to defend themselves. The issue is what constitutes "reasonable force". And, as has been discussed to death in this thread previously, burying a 25cm chef's knife into somebody's chest cannot be rationalised as "reasonable force", hence why said chef has been convicted.

Anything short of castle laws allowing the use of deadly force constitutes legal denial of the right to self defence.

It's really that simple.

**Hitcher** · 21st September 2007, 11:45

You missed this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_%28theory%29

**davereid** · 21st September 2007, 13:14

Originally Posted by PuppetMaster

Why not. Regardless of the 6 v 1, he feared for his life, and his life was in danger, sounds like a reasonable defence to me. It was purely self defence, regardles of force.

Thats possibly why the police plea bargined it - they were not sure they would be able to get a jury to convict on an attempted murder charge.

It seems that if you are two police officers, armed with batons, handcuffs, pepper spray, firearms and with backup on the way, that you are protected by the law when using lethal force against a nut breaking windows with a golf club.

Yet if you are a normal person, sitting on the bus minding your own business, that the law works completely differently.

**peasea** · 21st September 2007, 13:39

Originally Posted by davereid

Thats possibly why the police plea bargined it - they were not sure they would be able to get a jury to convict on an attempted murder charge.

It seems that if you are two police officers, armed with batons, handcuffs, pepper spray, firearms and with backup on the way, that you are protected by the law when using lethal force against a nut breaking windows with a golf club.

Yet if you are a normal person, sitting on the bus minding your own business, that the law works completely differently.

Weird that.

I've often wondered about that Waitara case. How come a reknowned marksman couldn't pop a knee cap, or at least a thigh? I guess we'll never know.

As for defending yourself; I think if you fear for your life then it's 'him or me' deal. I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.