Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

**HTFU** · 21st September 2007, 23:44

This country rocks that is for sure

**Patrick** · 22nd September 2007, 08:00

Originally Posted by peasea

Probably right actually, you could still swing a club on one leg. Tiger does it all the time.

Seriously? I wouldn't want someone coming at me with a golf club and they'd be more of a threat at six feet than face to face; a wee way out and they have swinging room.

FORE!

Which is why the baton was no use (at least in the hands of someone who probably hadn't held one for the last year or so...), the spray was at its outer limit and may not even work anyhow, but by the time you realise it isn't working, he has advanced and swung in a split second (how far can you move in a split second at these close ranges?)... Too late then for you to react, thats for sure...!!!

**Grahameeboy** · 22nd September 2007, 08:19

Originally Posted by Finn

Words fail me. People get upset with me when I label NZ as a fucken joke. This is why.

Ladies and gentlemen (and Skidmark), we've just got to get rid of this Government. I don't care who gets in next election, even Tamaki's fucked up brothers, just as long as they apply common fucken sense. But seriously, if you were Prime Minister tomorrow, where would you fucken start? The place is a shithole.

So this makes NZ a 'Fucken Joke'...........and a 'Shit Hole'.......well guess you are entitled to see things that way but a shame that this beautiful Country is tainted by those you wobble at life.

**Finn** · 22nd September 2007, 10:50

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

So this makes NZ a 'Fucken Joke'...........and a 'Shit Hole'.......well guess you are entitled to see things that way but a shame that this beautiful Country is tainted by those you wobble at life.

I also find it amusing that the only quality people associate NZ with is "beautiful". That it is, but it's pretty damn ugly underneath.

**peasea** · 22nd September 2007, 12:52

Originally Posted by Finn

I also find it amusing that the only quality people associate NZ with is "beautiful". That it is, but it's pretty damn ugly underneath.

A lot of it is, ask kb cops, they'll tell you. I've come across some dirtbags in my time and it's not hard to see where the problems are germinated but overall I still think it's a great place to bring up a family, the food is brilliant and if you're prepared to get up in the morning you can earn a buck or two.

All with some magnificent scenery as a backdrop.

I refer to Auckland as a shithole but scenically it's quite cool, it's just too congested and I find it incredibly frustrating when I need to go places. Plus, if you're on a one-way ticket out (which we are) there's a win to be had in the real estate market. This place is grossly overpriced.

Yes, some of it's ugly but where in the world isn't? I haven't travelled overseas that much but I'm sure there's better as well as much worse.

**Grahameeboy** · 22nd September 2007, 16:35

Originally Posted by Finn

I also find it amusing that the only quality people associate NZ with is "beautiful". That it is, but it's pretty damn ugly underneath.

I guess you see what you want to see and decide whether to take the good with the bad.what is more important.

There is good and bad everywhere, has been for thousands of years.

Shame you feel that it is amusing that people associate NZ with 'beautiful'......always look on the bright side I say which does not mean that you ignore the bad..........have travelled a fair bit and NZ is a paradise.

Remember when I was doing volunteer work in Kenya, a couple of theives were caught by the local villagers. Now this will probably be right up your street, but they set fire to them...not a nice sight.....does that happen in the NZ?

You go to say Downtown Orlando and you are told to stay where there are people. Does that happen in NZ?

Tower blocks of hard to rent places in Bow, London. The lifts were used as urinals. Does that happen in NZ.....well probably not as there are no tower blocks.

St Pauls Bristol, 20 years ago the Police never went into the area. Now I have been told only non-white cops are allowed to enter. Does that happen in NZ?

Harlem 20 years ago. You were told to keep your doors locked when driving thru. Risk of being dragged out of car and robbed. Does that happen in NZ?

You have a choice in life.

**Grahameeboy** · 22nd September 2007, 16:37

Originally Posted by peasea

A lot of it is, ask kb cops, they'll tell you. I've come across some dirtbags in my time and it's not hard to see where the problems are germinated but overall I still think it's a great place to bring up a family, the food is brilliant and if you're prepared to get up in the morning you can earn a buck or two.

All with some magnificent scenery as a backdrop.

I refer to Auckland as a shithole but scenically it's quite cool, it's just too congested and I find it incredibly frustrating when I need to go places. Plus, if you're on a one-way ticket out (which we are) there's a win to be had in the real estate market. This place is grossly overpriced.

Yes, some of it's ugly but where in the world isn't? I haven't travelled overseas that much but I'm sure there's better as well as much worse.

Congestion in Auckland?.................

**scumdog** · 24th September 2007, 08:57

Originally Posted by peasea

Yes, some of it's ugly but where in the world isn't? .

Wot 'e sed.

Have you any other country that in all aspects is waay better than NZ?

**peasea** · 25th September 2007, 13:43

Originally Posted by scumdog

You retard trollin' 'effing dreamer--WHAT 'reknowned marksman' was at Waitara?????

Do you REALLY think a pistol shooter can 'pop a knee cap' of a moving leg in darkness?????

It's as easy as you doing a 180 degree stoppie on your H-D

Sheesh, some people.

Have a nice day!!

Well, I'd read some of the media stuff about the case, including these snippets:

"Keith Abbot is a gun freak who knew - before, during, and after he'd killed Stephen Wallace - of the lethality of a handgun at close range - and still he made no attempt to restrain or otherwise incapacitate Stephen. In Abbot's mind, there was no option but to shoot (ie. kill) Stephen.

Keith Abbot is a good enough marksman to have injured/incapacitated Stephen with one shot. He shot 5 times."

Source: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0106/S00054.htm

Maybe the word 'reknowned' was a bit OTT but there's evidence to suggest that he was a marksman. My apologies for overstating his fame with a shooter. Also, it's only mass media stuff, so who can guarantee its accuracy?

Yours truly, the "retard trollin' 'effing dreamer".

BOT.

**peasea** · 25th September 2007, 13:49

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Congestion in Auckland?.................

Yup. Sure it might not compare to Tokyo, London or LA when it comes to traffic mayhem, I can't remember London and haven't been to the other two cities but I don't want to either. Especially if they're more congested than this place.

I'm one of those crazies who likes to get up to pace and stay there; crawling in choking traffic does nothing for me, regardless of which vehicle I'm operating.

Now, about that chef....

**scumdog** · 25th September 2007, 15:40

Originally Posted by peasea

Well, I'd read some of the media stuff about the case, including these snippets:

"Keith Abbot is a gun freak who knew - before, during, and after he'd killed Stephen Wallace - of the lethality of a handgun at close range - and still he made no attempt to restrain or otherwise incapacitate Stephen. In Abbot's mind, there was no option but to shoot (ie. kill) Stephen.

Keith Abbot is a good enough marksman to have injured/incapacitated Stephen with one shot. He shot 5 times."

Source: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0106/S00054.htm

Yours truly, the "retard trollin' 'effing dreamer".

BOT.

Police only shoot to 'incapacitate' and/or until the subject complies.

If it takes more than one shot and the subject dies due to his lack of compliance then bad effing luck.

They should have picked a better hobby than being a non-compliant agro dickhead.

Or having the stupidity of fronting up to somebody the know will very likely use the real gun they are holding if they don't pull their head in.

Darwin rocks.

**peasea** · 25th September 2007, 15:58

Oooh-kaaay.
Cop shoots as he's in fear of his life, has a reputation as a capable 'gun freak' etc etc, shoots and kills his (potential) attacker from many metres away.

Chef gets attacked, takes random plunge with a knife, coz he too is in fear of losing his life from an attacker who's right in his face.

Now, who's in the can again?

I'm not stirring the pot, just raising my eyebrows and weighing it up.

**scumdog** · 25th September 2007, 16:02

Originally Posted by peasea

Oooh-kaaay.
Cop shoots as he's in fear of his life, has a reputation as a capable 'gun freak' etc etc, shoots and kills his (potential) attacker from many metres away.

Chef gets attacked, takes random plunge with a knife, coz he too is in fear of losing his life from an attacker who's right in his face.

Now, who's in the can again?

I'm not stirring the pot, just raising my eyebrows and weighing it up.

Can't speak for either case with 100% accuracy as I wasn't there BUT I beleive in the chef incident that the dick-heads were about to leave.

Not so with Mr Wallace who also had been warned. - I gather the chef acted without the same courtesy.

**mstriumph** · 25th September 2007, 16:48

Originally Posted by davereid

Thats possibly why the police plea bargined it - they were not sure they would be able to get a jury to convict on an attempted murder charge.

It seems that if you are two police officers, armed with batons, handcuffs, pepper spray, firearms and with backup on the way, that you are protected by the law when using lethal force against a nut breaking windows with a golf club.

Yet if you are a normal person, sitting on the bus minding your own business, that the law works completely differently.

oh bling, bling, blingy bling bling

yes - most definately ---- here in Aus. too -----
i have ALWAYS wondered why a hulking great, fit, young policeman, trained up in all sorts of japanese nose-holds and other mayhem-restraining measures, is permitted to legally carry a gun and shoot someone in self-defence

while a dear little white-haired shopkeeper, frail, fragile and elderly, is just expected to stand there and take a beating because the law does not permit them a firearm.

madness