Depression...

[Blue Babe]

Not picking on you AJ but trust me, you are wrong.

Therapy is essential for most types of depression. However before it can be effective, the ill persons brain chemistry needs to be put back in balance. Therapy doesn't work well for people who are really sick because their minds aren't functioning normally. They might feel normal but their thought patterns are usually distinctly abnormal eg. selfharm

Meds are not a total answer to depression and every individual reacts differently. Depression and anxiety are often rooted in childhood experiences or some traumatic adult experience. Just why some of us become depressed and others don't is not known. Indeed how the brains functions isn't well known but knowledge grows every day.

So knocking meds and therapy is unhelpful when there is plenty of research showing they work in the majority of situations.

You have to work on the fact EVERY ONE is an INDIVIDUAL.... No two people will have the same results with the same treatment or lack of. Some people need the meds & councilling, some just need councilling, support from family & friends, some just the meds & support from their families & friends etc. Some need life change. It is all to the individual.

[DMNTD:Me]

Ummm - and the topic was 'Depression' I believe???

Yeah shame on you all for not being depressing in a "depression thread". :slap:

[Curious_AJ]

okay, i read like 2 pages since my last comment and i didnt bother to read the rest... you guy say to me " who are you to say this about that?"

and I say the same thing to you guys, who's to say i dont belong here, and who's to say i dont have depression... if this is how you react to someone who HAS tried all the things you guys have suggested and is just looking for guidance... then this IS no place for me... you guys have only made things worse in the last couple of pages.. you have made me believe (some of you) that you just don't understand how others might experience depression.. its not all the same as you guys may have gone through... if that's the kind of community thats infested this place... well good luck to you, i'll stop posting just so that i dont have to hear the pointless accusations that are ALWAYS flung against me...

even as i write this i have tears because I can't make you understand when you wont even listen to me.

it's like the rest of my life... no one ever listens to me because yes... i AM stupid... I AM failing everything I try to do because I'm dumb... I'm just fucking dumb...

If you guys have anything to say to this, pm me... if not.,.. just don't waste your breath.. I'm not worth it... not worth anything... so just fuck it... fuck it all...

thanks for making me realise I can achieve nothing from trying to talk about how I feel about things..

[Hitcher]

There is more that can be gained from listening, rather than talking.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Sometimes AJ we are our own worst enemies. Look at your self talk. Would you say that to your best friend(s). Taking the positive action every day - sometimes will yield good sometimes you will still feel like shit - that is life. Don't expect things to happen quickly - we all want it to of course. I understand how you are feeling - crikey the last couple of days I too have felt a complete and utter failure. Despite all the things I have achieved it means jack shit. I have a feeling I'm being stubborn lol. I have a script waiting to be filled and I don't want to go down that track - however I don't want to keep sliding into this big black hole. I too nutted off at a friend today telling him he wouldn't understand. It gets so big in our own minds this "feeling". I've watched my insane mind take over - I made a list last nite - my goals for a week. Now I don't want to fkn do them. But I do - I also get pleasure ticking each one off at nite and praise myself - as I'm also calling myself a fat lump of lard!!! I have situps and dumbels on my list, how much water I drink per day, did I take my vitamins - major stuff Not but fk in my state at present it is an effort to achieve. I make a small mistake at work - it becomes a mountain - now that is headshit. I have to put positive self talk in there - remember what I have achieved, what I am capable of.
Frankly I just want to pull the covers up over my head and say fk the world I've had enough. I deserve better than this shit. But other people can't give it to me or make me better - only I can do that with the help of medication if I stop being so stubborn - there is fear involved around that - the side effects, I've had 9 months free of meds, but hey as long as I take action on a daily basis and talk nicely to myself - I will get better - I have before.

So get angry AJ - have ya hissy fit - get it all out - then action. Stick around positive people and stop worrying what other people think - it is none of your business or theirs. I don't give a flying fk what people think I can only change me and I had better like/love who I am cos no other bastard is going to.

[Kittyhawk]

Originally Posted by Curious_AJ
yeah... people think therapy works... but we can all tell them a thing or two...

people only go when they're not actually mentally ill in any way, they just want to rabbit out some bullshit, then CLAIM it makes them better, when there wasnt anything wrong to begin with!!! ...

Is this what you are doing here? Sorry but in this case, HTFU! We have supported you, we have given you suggestions, we have listend to you while you are down....Suggestions for therapy, exercise, meds, natural remedies etc some cost some dont.

Seems to me like you have an answer for EVERYTHING when we try to help in some way!

Well with depression there is no answer. Im looking and I'll find it...that will be in the future when I look back on myself and say it was dark but I did come out on top and beat it.

(damn I hate my lows, they are leathal to myself)
But hey...when Im happy Im bloody happy and on top of the world.....so I make the most of that time when I can.

[Hitcher]

Can we please try and have this latest discussion in one place?

Here's a good place http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=57829

Thank you.

[Joni]

However Hitch, this thread preceeded that one by months, and many people have tried to listen and help AJ...

[boomer]

Not picking on you AJ but trust me, you are wrong.

Therapy is essential for most types of depression. However before it can be effective, the ill persons brain chemistry needs to be put back in balance. Therapy doesn't work well for people who are really sick because their minds aren't functioning normally. They might feel normal but their thought patterns are usually distinctly abnormal eg. selfharm

Meds are not a total answer to depression and every individual reacts differently. Depression and anxiety are often rooted in childhood experiences or some traumatic adult experience. Just why some of us become depressed and others don't is not known. Indeed how the brains functions isn't well known but knowledge grows every day.

So knocking meds and therapy is unhelpful when there is plenty of research showing they work in the majority of situations.

yeah they use to think electrotherapy worked too...

[arsnik]

yeah they use to think electrotherapy worked too...

Stil in use. IN NZ even.

[Finn]

yeah they use to think electrotherapy worked too...

Didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it?

[RiderInBlack]

yeah they use to think electrotherapy worked too...

They still do and it is still use here. I have met a RN who has Bipolar and electro works well for her (this is what she says).

[Goblin]

thanks for making me realise I can achieve nothing from trying to talk about how I feel about things..

Only problem is you're talking on the wrong forum. Seems there is a forum designed to cater to your needs. http://www2.everybody.co.nz/forum/ub...oard=45&page=1

[vifferman]

AJ - I believe you are suffering from depression, but I also believe that you haven't come to the point where you REALLY want to get well badly enough to say, "Fuck it - I've had enough" and take some steps to fix it. That may sound unfair, but it seems every time you post on here and people try to help you, you have no problem coming up with a reason or excuse why you can't be helped. That's what I call "classic victim mentality", where deep down you actually crave attention for some reason (rejection as a child? Past hurts you haven't got over?). So you don't (subconsciously or consciously) want things to be fixed, as then you won't get the attention you're after.

I'm talking shit, you say? No, I've "been there, done that", and have a younger sister who seems to be a walking soap opera - you wouldn't believe the shit that happens to her, which is so OTT it's hard to come to any other conclusion than that she must be responsible for causing a lot of it. Plus I have a son who's always negative and has a HUGE chip on his shoulder that he can't get over, despite having so many things going for him: he's smart (in the upper 99th percentile of the population), young, healthy, a talented musician, a whizz at anything technological (programming, electronics, whatever). Yes, he has things tough, as he was bullied mercilessly at school (he has Asperger's Syndrome), but he is single-minded enough and smart enough that he can get past that.

Anyway, people on KB aren't getting at you - just trying to help, with little success, as you keep throwing back reasons why you're beyond help. You are currently your own worst enemy: things in your life are NOT so bad they can't be fixed, but first you have to realise that you can't eat sympathy. Sure, it might feel nice being the centre of attention (something I sometimes still catch myself doing things to get), but then what? You need to do some serious soul-searching - and not of the kind where you go, "Oh.. poor me... I'm so fucked up... everything's going wrong...". Instead, you need to look at things that are wrong in your life with a view to fixing them - don't dwell on them - just accept them or discard them or if they're too hard, put them aside to fix later. And most importantly, look at the things that are RIGHT in your life.
Look for stuff you can build on.
Make a list.
Count your blessings. Here's a start:

1. You're young - plenty of time to get yourself sorted.
2. You're healthy (i.e., not crippled, not brain-damaged, not terminally ill, not suffering from cystic fibrosis, cancer, severe arthritis, blind, deaf, one-legged, badly disfigured from burns, etc etc.) Things could be a lot worse - don't make them worse!
3. You live in a reasonably good country, with a free public health system, and cheap medical care. There's no medical/financial reason you can't get sorted.
4. You're free - no dependent kids, no $300k mortgage. You're not incarcerated in prison, hospital or a mental ward.
5. You have friends and family who care for you.
6. You have a roof over your head, fresh water, food, clothes.

It's all basically up to you: you choose whether you're at the point where you've had enough of depression that you're going to grow up, accept responsibility for yourself, and do everything you can to get rid of it, or carry on being a victim of yourself.

[mstriumph]

................it's like the rest of my life... no one ever listens to me because yes... i AM stupid... I AM failing everything I try to do because I'm dumb... I'm just fucking dumb...

If you guys have anything to say to this, pm me... if not.,.. just don't waste your breath.. I'm not worth it... not worth anything... so just fuck it... fuck it all...

thanks for making me realise I can achieve nothing from trying to talk about how I feel about things..

somewhere along the line you've lost the offbeat sense of humour that i liked about you when you first joined - for your own sake try and find it again .... it'll probably do more for you than therapy or pills

a lot of people have shown a lot of concern for you on here - it's now up to you whether they are 'wasting their breath' or not

the hard, bitter truth is that only YOU can dig yourself out of this - but you do have to want to.