Global warming - more bad news !

[idleidolidyll]

Meh, who gives a fuck, it'll happen tolerably slowly.

As for the media? who the hell listens to 'em, at least for more than to learn which particular social angst is fashionable... If you don't like their product you've got the same choice as anyone else when it comes to supporting them.

obviously a lot of people here listen to the media. If they didn't they wouldn't have such whacked out opinions.

free choice is an illusion; we are presented with a selection of choices by other people and they therefore control our thinking.

A long time ago an honest journalist made a famous statement and that is even more true today:

John Swinton:


" There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, as an
independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you
who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know
beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for
keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others
of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who
would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the
streets looking for another job.

If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper,
before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of
the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to
vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell the country for his
daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting
an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men
behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and
we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the
property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. "

[Ocean1]

obviously a lot of people here listen to the media. If they didn't they wouldn't have such whacked out opinions.

free choice is an illusion; we are presented with a selection of choices by other people and they therefore control our thinking.

A long time ago an honest journalist made a famous statement and that is even more true today:

John Swinton:


" There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, as an
independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you
who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know
beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for
keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others
of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who
would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the
streets looking for another job.

If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper,
before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of
the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to
vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell the country for his
daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting
an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men
behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and
we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the
property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. "

Oh bollox. If you get your facts from what passes for news in your daily rag you don't deserve to vote let alone breed. And if you base your opinions on what's on the box you don't deserve to breath. I'm perfectly free to form my own opinions, and I've got a far more independant and powerful source of fact than anyone's previously ever had access to right here in front of me.

[idleidolidyll]

Oh bollox. If you get your facts from what passes for news in your daily rag you don't deserve to vote let alone breed. And if you base your opinions on what's on the box you don't deserve to breath. I'm perfectly free to form my own opinions, and I've got a far more independant and powerful source of fact than anyone's previously ever had access to right here in front of me.

i'm not going to enter a new argument at the moment (I'm already engaged in far too many).

however, i have studied the media within a degree and that viewpoint is not mine alone.

i'll leave it up to you to do the leg work if you can be bothered but i'm not gonna demand it; it's just not that important to me

esides, i actually kinda respect you

[Ocean1]

i actually kinda respect you

But will you still be here in the morning?

Sounds like you need to find a way to respect your own opinions dude. There may well be reds under the bed, and possibly greens in the woodpile, but there's plenty of people prepared to look further for their edification.

[idleidolidyll]

sure, and i'll make you brekkie too honey

i DO respect my own opinions but i'm also aware that i only know what i'm allowed to know. looking further doesn't mean you're thinking independently; you're just reading more people's words

it's a philosophical argument that will never be proven or disproven so frankly it's not worth wasting time trying to convince people of it. You either believe or you don't, like religion

[Ocean1]

sure, and i'll make you brekkie too honey

i DO respect my own opinions but i'm also aware that i only know what i'm allowed to know. looking further doesn't mean you're thinking independently; you're just reading more people's words

it's a philosophical argument that will never be proven or disproven so frankly it's not worth wasting time trying to convince people of it. You either believe or you don't, like religion

Philosophy is it, religion yet?… Dude I am the ultimate concern for the truly paranoid, the embodiment of all things omnipotent and fearful, I'm a devout solipsist. You, your opinions and your very existence are mere figments of my fevered brow. Away with ye, begone, or I’ll bury you in an alcoholic coma.


Independant, forsooth…

[idleidolidyll]

that's OK, i'm off to drown myself all by myself

and don't get me started on religion; I REALLY upset people when I start on that crock o shit

[Sanx]

Is it really getting warmer ?

Possibly. Possibly not, depending on whose research you read and how far you go back. Climate change advocates like to start records in the 1850s, a period described by other climate scientists as a mini ice age. Climate change sceptics like to go back to the middle ages, a time known as the medieval warm period. The world's warmer than in the 1850s, and cooler than it was a thousand years back. Go figure.

If it is, is it really human activity ?

It's got fuck all to do with human activity. Billions and billions of dollars spent in research trying to prove it is related to human activity (entirely the wrong rational for scientific research) and they've come up with ... erm ... well, vague theories that no-one can prove one way or another.

If it is human activity can will Kyoto reverse it, or just cost a lot of money ?

The latter.

Do we want to reverse it - is it really that bad ?

The world survived climate changes before. Many of them. And it will survive them again.

Lots of money in Kyoto - where does it all go ? (suspicious bastard)

Into pockets, both corporate and governmental. Like Uncle Helen's new carbon tax plan, where they'll tax emissions and with the money do ... erm ... wel, they're not saying right now, but no doubt they'll be a treaty claim asking for the money as the CO2 is actually a taonga.

[Sanx]

Dave

google greenland ice and you'll be very afraid.

it's been out there a long time now but the media is owned by corporations by and large and THEIR motivation has been to prevent this info reaching the cowed masses

Like the BBC you mean? What have they got to gain by preventing information reaching the masses?

[canarlee]

global warming?









bring it on, i hate being cold!

[idleidolidyll]

Like the BBC you mean? What have they got to gain by preventing information reaching the masses?

even the BBC is beholden to advertisers.

a bit of research would show that the labour party in britain has moved so far to the right since the 70's, it cannot be honestly described as the workingmans party. it is now a corporate lapdog like all right wing parties.

no surprise then that even auntie serves fascist corporate agendas.

and to back up my opinion i offer these chart:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright

look at where the Labour party was in the 70's and where they are now. They are almost as right wing as Bush

[scumdog]

The holidays will be finished soon and this will all be over........

[Grahameeboy]

The holidays will be finished soon and this will all be over........

Yeah, it rained last nite and now it is not and it looks sunny so even the climate is not sure about Global Warming.

[Ocean1]

even the BBC is beholden to advertisers.

a bit of research would show that the labour party in britain has moved so far to the right since the 70's, it cannot be honestly described as the workingmans party. it is now a corporate lapdog like all right wing parties.

no surprise then that even auntie serves fascist corporate agendas.

and to back up my opinion i offer these chart:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright

look at where the Labour party was in the 70's and where they are now. They are almost as right wing as Bush

Dude that's pathetic, both the faux-paranoia and the reference. It's also wandering seriously off topic.

[Ocean1]

The holidays will be finished soon and this will all be over........

Back to school dude?