Feeling a little over-taxed this morning?

**crshbndct** · 11th October 2007, 10:00

i know why we have got such a big surplus:

WAR ON AUSTRALIA!!!! the idea is to throw all our eggs and tax into one basket by saving up enough to attack and take over australia, it doesnt matter if our infrastructure suffers, as we will just take over theirs..

the revolution is coming!!

**The Pastor** · 11th October 2007, 10:02

[QUOTE=Mr Merde;1242399]
I would not be very supprised that if one were to seriously look into how much the government steals back, that you would find that you only recieve 30-40 % of your earnings.
[QUOTE]

And thats for minimum wage earners. It only goes up and up when you get more money.

Heres an idea, why don't they put like 5 billion dollers in the bank and earn intrest off it then reduce income tax % by the ammount of income they get from the intrest.

At 7.65% intrest, they would earn 382 million per year (ok some sort of tax would come out of that ... i think - not sure if my math is correct) then divide that buy how many income earners there are in nz and you'd probably get 100 bux back a year. or somthing _b

**Ocean1** · 11th October 2007, 11:27

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Mate I always feel over taxed but thanks for reminding me exactly how much I'm being fleeced.

At least our healthcare, education and justice systems are world class.... NOT.

So where does it all go? Paying off debt? Helping people live beyond their means? 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation dole bludgers?

... nifty...

Yeah, fuckit Finn, I sorta forget several times a day exactly how little of my working week is actually for me. Thanks for the reminder.

Last time I looked everything I earn after 09:30 Wednesday morning belongs to Hullen. And that's from a 6 day week.

Has anyone got any actual, real, unspun data on where it goes? Somat real simple, a fekin big pie chart mebe... I do know dole bludgers siphon off less than most believe, but what about the multitude of less obvious parasitic leakage?

One bit I do have a reasonable inside take on is health, to health magagement experts our system looks better than most, the UK being the only one really standing out as better, they do spend shitloads more than us on both health and retirement though. The US health system is often compared to ours, simply because it's funding is radically different. Our health service is universally considered far superior and costs about NZ$4.2K/pa for each odf us, compared to about US$7K/pa for a similar level of service in the US. Like a lot of other politically sensitive industries the facts get buried by continual ambushes by the media, the facts are quite different to public opinion.

**Pumba** · 11th October 2007, 11:35

Personally I wouldnt mind them tacking the tax the take if they were actually doing somthing productive with the money, HOWEVER, with the current state of the health and education system, to use as an example, I would like my money back so I can pay for all the private services I need because this goverment is managing to cock that up.

Not that any other government would be any better, thay are all as bad as one another.

**Dilligaf** · 11th October 2007, 11:41

I'll think you find that dole bludgers are the least of our worries when it comes to who is getting all the moolah.
Listen more carefully when it comes to when the news reports the opening of something or other - case in point the new prison in the Waikato... Iwi payments, iwi consultations. Consultancy fees would have to be one of the biggest leeches that this government allows.
I am the treasurer of a non for profit organisation and got the book from our local council about which companies / trusts / government grants are up for grabs. I was completely blown away how many millions are up for offer for Maori only groups from Aunty Helen.
Another gem was a waka made for some group from a grant of half a million.
And underfloor heating for our prisoners doesn't come cheap.

**Robert Taylor** · 11th October 2007, 11:48

Originally Posted by Usarka

The surplus is there for a good reason. labour will use it next year to buy votes before the election.

Exactly. There is a strong case that if income tax was slashed business would prosper and the total tax take may actually increase. And those 50,000 extra civil servants wouldnt be needed and would be able to be employed in REAL jobs.

Where tax isnt rightfully spent is on having a credible and modern Air Strike Force, to show that at least we have the intent to defend our assets inclusive of food production and fresh water.

**PirateJafa** · 11th October 2007, 13:33

Originally Posted by tri boy

If you wish to view total incompetence with regards to Govt spending, check out the US treasury. 800+ Billion in dept, and growing every day. Those loans will get called in, and industry will not be able to save them.

I had an American trying to convince me the other day that this was a good thing...

**tri boy** · 11th October 2007, 15:07

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

I had an American trying to convince me the other day that this was a good thing...

Was he a sub prime mortage agent?

**Delerium** · 11th October 2007, 15:47

Disregard. doesnt matter.

**Scouse** · 11th October 2007, 15:56

Originally Posted by renegade master

And thats for minimum wage earners. It only goes up and up when you get more money.

Heres an idea, why don't they put like 5 billion dollers in the bank and earn intrest off it then reduce income tax % by the ammount of income they get from the intrest.

At 7.65% intrest, they would earn 382 million per year (ok some sort of tax would come out of that ... i think - not sure if my math is correct) then divide that buy how many income earners there are in nz and you'd probably get 100 bux back a year. or somthing _b

I think this lad is a bit of a Mongo

**The Pastor** · 11th October 2007, 15:57

Originally Posted by zrxer

I think this lad is a bit of a Mongo

your catching on shirlock.

**Hitcher** · 11th October 2007, 16:49

I blame the Labour Gummint!

**Paul in NZ** · 11th October 2007, 16:51

We chatted about this today while we were wasting the companies time...

99% of the folks here were all up for a tax break even if it was like $10 a pay but no one was keen on my idea of investing the surplus in improved infrastructure like another hydro project (or other electric power plant type) or better public transport... 'Fuck' that was the cry - its my fuckin money why should I care about cheap power or busses for other peoples bloody kids...

I've changed my mind - spend the $$ on unifying the country and getting people to give a shit about others again...