Cannabis-affected drivers more common than drunks: research

[jade]

I would say 90 percent of my riding would be stoned
Im someone who smokes more than once a day, The major difference I notice when riding high is I follow the speed limit more often than when I am straight
Ive never had any moments or close calls because I was stoned and I really do ' cruise ' a hell of a lot more
If you werent a regular smoker then it would be a terrible idea as its so much more intense.. pot is nothing to me, I wouldnt have a problem doing a trackday stoned at all (but I dont)
Ive had most crashes when sober, I guess because I was pushing that bit harder ?
When it comes to alcohol, you wont catch me drink driving ever, even a beer affects me, 2 beers is my absolute limit before getting on my bike
I wonder if anyone else out there does as I do, probably not stupid enough to admit it

shall we bring up the topic of smoking port royal or drum which has alcohol in it before riding..

[Toaster]

Not that I agree with doing either of these, but how the hell is being stoned at the wheel more dangerous than being drunk at the wheel?
Im sure that being stoned and holding up a bit of traffic has got to be less dangerous than an over confident drunk that cant judge distance and has fuck all reaction time.

But oh well, I guess they did the research.

I think the point that is being either stoned or drunk and driving/riding is just downright stupid.

[Jantar]

I would say 90 percent of my riding would be stoned
Im someone who smokes more than once a day, ..

From someone who has had more crashes than the average rider? There couldn't possibly be a connection could there?

[Bren]

shall we bring up the topic of smoking port royal or drum which has alcohol in it before riding..

And what would you say the content of alcohol is in Port Royal (what I smoke)???

I think that you will find the content is nil...It has probably been soaked in Rum, then roasted...i dunno just guessing there.....but if there WAS alcohol in it dont you think there would be documentation of it in the packaging, somewhat like they do with Liquer filled chocolates (I love the whiskey ones)???

[RC1]

And what would you say the content of alcohol is in Port Royal (what I smoke)???

I think that you will find the content is nil...It has probably been soaked in Rum, then roasted...i dunno just guessing there.....but if there WAS alcohol in it dont you think there would be documentation of it in the packaging, somewhat like they do with Liquer filled chocolates (I love the whiskey ones)???

you will probabally find its just rum flavour or essence from what i understand

[canarlee]

Also, how do you prove someone is stoned when the THC in your blood post smoking a joint can remain for 3 weeks.

it stays in your system for nearer 3 months than three weeks mate, technology and science has moved on a helluva lot more in the last 15 to 20 years.

[canarlee]

"[/SIZE], it leads to fucking carpentry that's what!

agreed, that statement about weed leading to harder drugs is bullshit.

[canarlee]

Having previously being a "stoner" I can say that I dont feel safe driving stoned....and the post about being paranoid is spot on.



the voices tell me that im not paranoid. i dissagree

Sorry guys, but I believe you can smoke all ya want at home....but stay off the roads for a while....

and the last bit, i agree with you 100%

[canarlee]

sorry for the multi replies, im too stoned to be bothered with messing about trying to remember my comments to each post and editing them down and..........

[Str8 Jacket]

I know people who some would call pretty big "stoners" they live normal lives while smoking weed and probably have at times gone to work a lil high but they NEVER ride a bike while stoned. Its all about personal responsibility.

[jrandom]

Seriously, folks, all that really matters here is whether cannabis diminishes driving and/or riding skills to the point where it should be illegal, as it is with alcohol, to be in control of a motor vehicle while under its influence.

A lot of the research done to date indicates that, in fact, THC may not be dangerously impairing below moderate levels. No point being reactionary and small-minded on the subject; science is science, and research data about human performance is the only valid argument.

Personally, I suspect that fatigue is a far greater risk factor when behind the wheel than being moderately stoned. Cannabis is simply not something that hammers the brain into uselessness like alcohol does.

And on the more general topic of people who condemn cannabis use, I can't help but find it funny when the same people roll home at 2am, reeking of booze and completely incoherent. We live in a very hypocritical society.

[Grahameeboy]

I think the point that is being either stoned or drunk and driving/riding is just downright stupid.

Yep but just remember that the majority of accidents are caused by sober / drug free accidents...........

[craigs288]

Bloody stoners...



Full article here

I reckon it just looks like another pathetic excuse to increase the number of things an officer could give you a ticket for when they pull you over for whatever random reason they might choose to do so.

I'm sure their studies were directed appropriately, and the results worded in such a way as to make it seem like a prevalent offense going on that needs to be addressed immediately.

I'm sure stoners have been driving around NZ since the 60's, at least. If you took all accidents (alcohol, drugs, speed, tiredness etc ) since the 60's and compared the yearly road toll and the yearly population of licenced drivers, the two numbers tend to follow reasonably well. The greater number of drivers on the road, the more accidents occur due to each of the attributed causes.

If anything I think that in the last 10 years, cellphone texting needs to be factored into the equation. What proportion of the driving public on any given day use a cell phone while driving and have near misses or an accident.
It wasn't an issue back in the 60's, 70's, (80's?)

[Robert Taylor]

Having previously being a "stoner" I can say that I dont feel safe driving stoned....and the post about being paranoid is spot on.....Riding stoned is one thing but being a stoned pillion is another...bloody freaky!

Sorry guys, but I believe you can smoke all ya want at home....but stay off the roads for a while....

Regardless, the death penalty needs to be instated for growers and smugglers of these insidious illegal substances

[craigs288]

it stays in your system for nearer 3 months than three weeks mate, technology and science has moved on a helluva lot more in the last 15 to 20 years.

Allegedly, or so I have heard, allegedly, not wanting to admit to knowing anything, allegedly.

THC is a weak organic acid and so is citric acid ( vitamin C ) and when you mix two organic acids you get salt and water. Which is why, allegedly, when you are stoned and each fruit that is 'high' in vitamin C it staightens you up, allegedly. Or lots of orange juice in the morning to get rid of that stone-over, allegedly.

You can only absorb about 1000mg of vitamin C per day and the excess is flushed out of your system. But while the excess is in there, it is neutralising the THC. While I was in the Army, allegedly, that is what some other people may or may not have done to get around the random urine tests, allegedly, perhaps.

I don't know, all these alleged allegations. What is the world coming to.