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    The white man's burden

    Here's one for the racists and bigots here, and there are many.

    The title comes from Rudyard Kipling, a racist of the first order, any comments?:

    Anger at scientist's 'whites more intelligent than blacks' comment

    5:00AM Thursday October 18, 2007
    By Cahal Milmo



    James Watson. Photo / Bloomberg

    One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.
    James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made before his arrival in Britain for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.
    The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
    The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks "in full". Dr Watson told the Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours whereas all the testing says not really".


    He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".
    His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."
    Dr Watson arrives in Britain this week for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science. Among his first engagements is a speech to an audience at the Science Museum organised by the Dana Centre, which held a discussion last night on the history of scientific racism.
    Critics of Dr Watson said there should be a robust response to his views across the spheres of politics and science.
    Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson's personal prejudices.
    "These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels."

    The American scientist earned a place in the history of great scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s and formed part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA.
    He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.
    Anti-racism campaigners called for Dr Watson's remarks to be looked at in the context of racial hatred laws. A spokesman for the 1990 Trust, a black human rights group, said: "It is astonishing that a man of such distinction should make comments that seem to perpetuate racism in this way."
    A QUESTION OF INTELLIGENCE
    Efforts to prove the superiority or inferiority of different races have a long and undistinguished history, from the justifications of slavery to the eugenic policies of Nazi Germany.
    Modern studies on race and intelligence have continued to create controversy.
    In 1994, a dispute erupted over the best-selling book The Bell Curve, by Charles Murray and Richard Hermstein, which argued that there were IQ differences between races that were at least partly genetic and that welfare and other polices were diluting the intelligence of the population by inadvertently encouraging the "wrong" women (with low IQs) to have babies.


    In 2002, Richard Lynn, a professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, stoked the fire with the publication of his book IQ and the Wealth of Nations, written with Tatu Vanhanen, emeritus professor of political science at the University of Tampere, Finland.
    Arthur Jensen, a former professor of educational psychology at the University of Berkeley, California, published The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability in 1998 suggesting that a "genetic component" lay behind the difference between whites and blacks in intelligence.
    He was accused of "scientific racism", couching racial differences in IQ in a theory drawn from evolutionary biology, and of practising "social, value-laden science".
    In Britain, the dispute erupted at Edinburgh University in 1996 when the psychologist Christopher Brand declared he was a "race realist".
    "The way in which I would try to explain higher levels of crime and out-of-wedlock births would not be by referring to blackness or race but to IQ," he said.

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    Surely a scientist and a Nobel Peace Prize winner can't be wrong.

    Question: Does this include Asians? They have a bit of sooty in them but they appear very smart.

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    scientists have different opinions too. the trick is to find one (or a group) that has the same opinions as you and take their opinion as the truth (eg global warming).

    I DO agree with this comment, regardless of race:

    welfare and other polices were diluting the intelligence of the population by inadvertently encouraging the "wrong" women (with low IQs) to have babies.

    woohoo i got my bigot license

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Question: Does this include Asians? They have a bit of sooty in them but they appear very smart.
    According to Wikipedia, the aforementioned IQ and the Wealth of Nations tabulated the average IQ of Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan at the top of the list, more or less followed in order by Northern European countries, then Eastern European, then Pacific/South American/Middle Eastern, then African at the bottom of the list.

    Not a proper peer-reviewed study, but still mostly based on genuine data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    According to Wikipedia, the aforementioned IQ and the Wealth of Nations tabulated the average IQ of Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan at the top of the list, more or less followed in order by Northern European countries, then Eastern European, then Pacific/South American/Middle Eastern, then African at the bottom of the list.

    Not a proper peer-reviewed study, but still mostly based on genuine data.

    Crafty slanties and dumb-arse niggers, eh? Who'd-a thunk it.
    Now I'm confused. A little bit of spook makes you very smart, but too much makes you stupid. And why do white folk taste like chicken?

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    Watson's theory arrives at the conclusion that race is the marker for intelligence. What he fails to understand is that we are ONE species: Homo Sapiens. We share the same charecteristics excluding those shaped by environmental factors. To suggest that some races have an inferior ability of understanding based skin colour and other external traits is bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    And why do white folk taste like chicken?
    They don't, that's why the natives call them 'long pig'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Watson's theory arrives at the conclusion that race is the marker for intelligence. What he fails to understand is that we are ONE species: Homo Sapiens. We share the same charecteristics excluding those shaped by environmental factors. To suggest that some races have an inferior ability of understanding based skin colour and other external traits is bollocks.
    Well that could be open to argument.

    To some extent you could say that people's intellect *could* be shaped by the local environment they live in. Asia for instance, has had centuries - millennia even - of civilisation (at least, for the coolie-hat class who aren't working in the rice paddies). As opposed to Africa, of course, who have on the whole been happy to sit a few rungs further down on the technology ladder throughout history.

    Ergo you could argue that the environment in Africa hasn't really encouraged the people of that continent to develop at the same rate as those of a different continent, who may have faced conditions more conducive to intellectual development.

    Either way, it makes for a interesting concept to think about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    scientists have different opinions too. the trick is to find one (or a group) that has the same opinions as you and take their opinion as the truth (eg global warming).

    I DO agree with this comment, regardless of race:

    welfare and other polices were diluting the intelligence of the population by inadvertently encouraging the "wrong" women (with low IQs) to have babies.

    woohoo i got my bigot license
    I sometimes wonder about that myself.
    A shitload of my female 'clients' have way more kids (and criminal minded ones at that) than the honest working types - o.k. maybe these 'clients' don't have all the kids anymore 'cos welfare has taken some off them but generally a lot who have had a lot of kids bloody well shouldn't - even if just for their kids sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Watson's theory arrives at the conclusion that race is the marker for intelligence. What he fails to understand is that we are ONE species: Homo Sapiens. We share the same charecteristics excluding those shaped by environmental factors. To suggest that some races have an inferior ability of understanding based skin colour and other external traits is bollocks.

    Skyryder
    There may be some truth in what he says,(although I am just waiting to slagged off as a rascist). Indeed we are one species, but inside of that, it can be suggested that it is made up of sub groups with regards to Geo location.
    It is reasonbly accurate to say that there is a possibility on differences in Bone/Muscle mass, developement of certain organs (including brain quadrants) in relation to areas of the enviroment that each sub group has existed in over a long period of time.
    ie: it's fair to say that Europeans have a much better swimming style, to say maybe Asian or African, and this possibly could be shown as accurate via competitions over the last 50-100yrs.
    Intelligence is a sensitive one, but should still be debated without highly strung Anti Raciest groups nullifying a possible conclusion. MHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Watson's theory arrives at the conclusion that race is the marker for intelligence. What he fails to understand is that we are ONE species: Homo Sapiens. We share the same charecteristics excluding those shaped by environmental factors. To suggest that some races have an inferior ability of understanding based skin colour and other external traits is bollocks.

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    Have you had a look at the shape of some heads around you?

    Have you noticed the vast varying cranial capacity of the ONE species as you put it?

    Have you noticed the shapes of heads changing with races?

    Thanks for your balanced opinion based on some facts!

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    From what I gathered, this scientist is human. Therefore he's going to have prejudices and whatnot as the rest of us do.

    I'm not taking anything from this until he backs it up with solid, credible evidence that is published.

    Just because he's won a Nobel Peace Prize and is a distinguished scientist does not mean he escapes the bounds of being human. It's sort of like taking John Key's "the war is over in Iraq" seriously.

    For all we know as well, the media are sensationalizing again. I find this more likely. He may not even have meant what they put across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Question: Does this include Asians? They have a bit of sooty in them but they appear very smart.
    Except in driving?

    Pah....another race thread ....... If we get $1 for everyone of this, we'd be a millionaire. Where are we? Australia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmoot View Post
    Except in driving?

    Pah....another race thread ....... If we get $1 for everyone of this, we'd be a millionaire. Where are we? Australia?
    Mmmm....Kiwi's are still by far the worst and were before Asian's arrived on mass so just another case of thinking below the line and diverting blame to someone else.

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