11/9 Self-Evident

[Grahameeboy]

The world has aleways had problems but the significance of Sept 11 is that the nett abuser finally got attacked on it's home soil; something that has never happened to it before.
The US continues to abuse and it is important to point that out continually. To sit back and say nothing when you know what is going on is to be a part of the abuse.

Rubbish................you sound like Bush when after 9/11 he said "if you are not with us you are with the terriorists"..........

Now you are saying we don't have a freedom of choice which is contrary to other threads you have started.

Just because some may chose to say nothing, does not mean that are part of the abuse and that we don't care. We just chose to be quiet in our own thoughts.

[Waylander]

why? is it all too hard for you?

care to debate any of the facts offered?

I didn't think so.

I'm not even gonna pretend to be smart enough to understand whatever that crap was saying. I didn't even bother to read it.
I have no respect for people who prattle off what they've heard from others.

The world has aleways had problems but the significance of Sept 11 is that the nett abuser finally got attacked on it's home soil; something that has never happened to it before.
The US continues to abuse and it is important to point that out continually. To sit back and say nothing when you know what is going on is to be a part of the abuse.

Guess again. We booted England out because of unfair treatment to people on our soil and we devastated Japan for attacking us.

So we are worse than America because we take too long to build roads??

That was one example. And it's not that you take too long to build roads it was that people here are being taxed for shit that isn't happening.

[Grahameeboy]

That was one example. And it's not that you take too long to build roads it was that people here are being taxed for shit that isn't happening.

Not a good example I guess..............

[SPman]

You haven't mentioned the infiltration of the Religious Bible belt fundamentalists through the military and higher echelons of government.
A good essay here - http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/110807B.shtml

Also - civic leaders are starting to speak out - a statement from the Mayor of Salt Lake City, of all places:-

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/110907E.shtml

The USA heirachy is rampant, but, not all of the citizens are unaware of what is going on - the worry is, can they do anything about it - while they still can!

Bets on Bush, declaring Martial law before the next election??

[idleidolidyll]

We may have a large rich/poor gap but the majority of those with heaps of money actually worked for it.

Bullshit! The richest people in the US got that way through family wealth mainly from old acts of corruption and the trend continues.

We may have heaps not able to afford welfare but atleast those that can don't have to pay for those that are just too lazy or stupid to work to be able to pay for it.

That's amerikkka for ya, they don't give a shit about people destroyed by their culture of greed and abuse..........

Last time I checked there has not been a Draft since the Korean war so everyone fighting now singed up of their own accord.

oH SURE THEY DID. hOW MANY OF THEM ARE THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE WEALTHY? hOW MANY ARE THE CHILDREN OF POLITICIANS? fUCK ALL. aMERIKA RELIES ON BRIBING THE POOR AND MINORITIES WITH THE PROMISE OF WEALTH IF THEY WILL SLAUGHTER ON BEHALF OF CAPITALISM AND MAKING cHENEY AND bUSH (and their cronies) RICHER.

Also I believe that most of the wars America has been involved in we were either asked to help out or attacked directly. So think again about who we're doing the fighting for.

Bullshit again. Most of Amerikas wars were contrived by amerika for profit motives.
Amerika fights to make the military, the politicians and the wealthy corporates even richer and they don't give a rats arse who they kill and terrorise in the process. Shall I post some of the millions of peoiples who are innocent victims of amerikan terrorism? I'm more than happy to do so. Perhaps an article on the School of the Americas would be a good place to start: a school run by the Yanks that trained terrorists for Sth America.

As for living off the blood of others, name one civilization in history that hasn't.

hardly an excuse to perpetuate amerikan terrorism and lie about it in such a cynical way but New Zealand is a relatively benign example in the last 30 years since the last time amerika conned us into one of it's wars of abuse (Vietnam)

I don't see you going after England the same way. France, Germany, China, Russia....

Oh England has much to answer for too but that can wait for another day. I'm not about to be diverted by your denial and fallacy.

[idleidolidyll]

I'm not even gonna pretend to be smart enough to understand whatever that crap was saying. I didn't even bother to read it.
I have no respect for people who prattle off what they've heard from others.

the ignorance defence? i'm not impressed


Guess again. We booted England out because of unfair treatment to people on our soil and we devastated Japan for attacking us.

Nope, the rich Yanks contrived to kick out the Brits so they could own the economy instead and it's been that way ever since. Amerika was born in corruption and continues on that path.


That was one example. And it's not that you take too long to build roads it was that people here are being taxed for shit that isn't happening.

Tuff shit. Better to have taxes than have the huge rich poor gap that amerikkka has and have to pay close to a grand a month just for insurance to rip off corporates because the government has sold the people to the lowest bidder.

[idleidolidyll]

You haven't mentioned the infiltration of the Religious Bible belt fundamentalists through the military and higher echelons of government.
A good essay here - http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/110807B.shtml

Also - civic leaders are starting to speak out - a statement from the Mayor of Salt Lake City, of all places:-

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/110907E.shtml

The USA heirachy is rampant, but, not all of the citizens are unaware of what is going on - the worry is, can they do anything about it - while they still can!

Bets on Bush, declaring Martial law before the next election??

yep, that'd be a good bet and another would be a 'pre-emptive' strike against Iran for all the same bullshit reasons against Iraq

[idleidolidyll]

Rubbish................you sound like Bush when after 9/11 he said "if you are not with us you are with the terriorists"..........

Now you are saying we don't have a freedom of choice which is contrary to other threads you have started.

Just because some may chose to say nothing, does not mean that are part of the abuse and that we don't care. We just chose to be quiet in our own thoughts.

Yes it does. If you know of the issues and the abuse and you say nothing, you are effectively giving moral support to the abusers and state terrorists

[idleidolidyll]

Guess again. We booted England out because of unfair treatment to people on our soil and we devastated Japan for attacking us.

foolish stuff!

Amerikkka didn't exist when the Brits were in control. It was created after they left. Japan attacked Hawaii, a nation anexed by Amerika and it's own people abused. Hawaii is not the Amerikan homeland.

[idleidolidyll]

Too fucking funny!

I post the words of Amerikans with morality and a yank gets all upset and wants me to shut the fuck up!

ROTFLMFAO!

[steveb64]

Unless NZ has suddenly been annexed and declared the 51st State (goodbye Heilen), then what the hell is the point of all this...

Naah - I reckon it's Iraq that'll be the 51st State! Unless we find a whole lot more oil...

[SPman]

Guess again. We booted England out because of unfair treatment to people on our soil .......

You threw out the Brits to get rid of the Monarchy - George the 3rd - and all that it stood for. The leaders knew what could happen in the years after so drafted the Constitution to try and avoid the inevitable slide into decadence, power and corruption that can follow and, by and large it was successful. The ruling elite in the US have now dismembered the constitution and what is left, they ignore. They have put common law back to pre 12th century Britain by removing Habeus Corpus and Bush can now, effectively rule by decree - he can bypass Congress and the Senate (who are weak as piss at the moment, anyway).
The oath sworn by all military and government personel, is to uphold THE CONSTITUTION of the United States, - not the government, not the President, not Congress, - the Constitution! And they are all failing abysmally in their sworn oaths, which makes them liars and traitors to the USA!
The US ruling elite is virtually a monarchy, now, in all but name - the USA is right back to King George in charge!

[idleidolidyll]

You threw out the Brits to get rid of the Monarchy - George the 3rd - and all that it stood for. The leaders knew what could happen in the years after so drafted the Constitution to try and avoid the inevitable slide into decadence, power and corruption that can follow and, by and large it was successful. The ruling elite in the US have now dismembered the constitution and what is left, they ignore. They have put common law back to pre 12th century Britain by removing Habeus Corpus and Bush can now, effectively rule by decree - he can bypass Congress and the Senate (who are weak as piss at the moment, anyway).
The oath sworn by all military and government personel, is to uphold THE CONSTITUTION of the United States, - not the government, not the President, not Congress, - the Constitution! And they are all failing abysmally in their sworn oaths, which makes them liars and traitors to the USA!
The US ruling elite is virtually a monarchy, now, in all but name - the USA is right back to King George in charge!

apparently i've got to spread it around before patting spman on the back for his intelligent and insightful posts

[idleidolidyll]

the USA is right back to King George in charge!

Yep, Mad King George the 2nd in fact. The reign of the Bush abusers continues: Prescott Bush would be so proud his progeny have continued to bleed the poor on behalf of the rich and he would have known that his son and grandson too would have traded with Hitler as he did

[Waylander]

Bullshit! The richest people in the US got that way through family wealth mainly from old acts of corruption and the trend continues.
You don't think it's fair for a child to receive their parents wealth when the parents die? And there are only a few corrupt people that are making themselves rich. I'm not saying they don't exist but certainly not as many as your wish-full thinking leads you to believe. You don't think the government cronies here are doing the same thing? In fact if you looked at it per capita there would likely be fewer corrupt people in the States than here.

That's amerikkka for ya, they don't give a shit about people destroyed by their culture of greed and abuse..........
I may be missing something but how is NZ different? Those misuseing the dole don't seem to care much about how they are abusing the system paid for by others hard work. And Maori activist really care about how they are destroying other cultures. If I have kids here should they really be forced to learn Maori just cause a few of them refuse to learn English?



oH SURE THEY DID. hOW MANY OF THEM ARE THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE WEALTHY? hOW MANY ARE THE CHILDREN OF POLITICIANS? fUCK ALL. aMERIKA RELIES ON BRIBING THE POOR AND MINORITIES WITH THE PROMISE OF WEALTH IF THEY WILL SLAUGHTER ON BEHALF OF CAPITALISM AND MAKING cHENEY AND bUSH (and their cronies) RICHER.
If they don't want to fight they can always try getting a normal job. Unless your in it for career the military doesn't pay anymore than a standard 9-5 job.

Bullshit again. Most of Amerikas wars were contrived by amerika for profit motives.
Amerika fights to make the military, the politicians and the wealthy corporates even richer and they don't give a rats arse who they kill and terrorise in the process. Shall I post some of the millions of peoiples who are innocent victims of amerikan terrorism? I'm more than happy to do so. Perhaps an article on the School of the Americas would be a good place to start: a school run by the Yanks that trained terrorists for Sth America.
Only wars I know of that benefited the states are the more recent ones in the middle east. I never saw any reason to go to Iraq and still don't know why we are there other than for oil. so I agree with you on that one. But Korea? Vietnam where we got our ass kicked? The World Wars? No war is justified but some have legitimate reasons other than just to make money.
As for that school thing and you posting info about it, read my earlier post about those that just regurgitate the opinions of others.

hardly an excuse to perpetuate amerikan terrorism and lie about it in such a cynical way but New Zealand is a relatively benign example in the last 30 years since the last time amerika conned us into one of it's wars of abuse (Vietnam)
Yes New Zealand is benign because it can't afford to be otherwise. Don't think for a second that Helen wouldn't send troops to the middle east in a bid to suck up to the states if she had any. Your military is a joke. Poorly trained and even more poorly equipped and if any country were to try and invade you'de be fucked. But Don't worry America will come help because you are our allies.

Oh England has much to answer for too but that can wait for another day. I'm not about to be diverted by your denial and fallacy.

Why must it wait? Hell why not attack all the countries that have done wrong to others. Should give you plenty to do since you seem to have so much free time to search for facts to suit your case.