ATNR (Auckland Thursday night ride) - Discussion thread

[Qkchk:Me]

Qkchk....I read through the previous pages of this thread and its the same bullshit that repeats over and over.

Issue with you involved or in the middle of it trying to prove you are right every time and have the last say.......

I am not going to get sucked into this bollocks on an internet forum with you, if you want to discuss the issue further why dont you ring me - you have my number.........

Thats fine, I dont want to continue on with the banter either. Got better things to do.

[The Pastor]

How did the gixxer get involved?Did he fall of in sympathy or was there something else?

He was looking at my lovely bike and wanted its wing mirror.

QKCHK, I'd say I'd have to agree, I came through about 6 bikes after the 'bin' and those 2 bikes should not have been there. I know that both of the riders are insured and I think in all fairness they should claim on their own insurances - I think they were both at fault to some degree and it was just an unfortunate incident.

yeah where we were parked was not a good spot. The zrx1200 binned right in front of me and I pulled over to see if he was ok, I wasn't thinking about my bike, just the dude in the fence...

It looked like the giiixer just took off sv's indicator and my mirror - no real damage.

To be fair, when he binned, we slowed down (he was right in front of me) and pulled over at the nearest spot, on the exit of the corner? Perhaps, but you'd have to be riding pretty damn close to the edge to come anywhere near the bikes.

Stupid place to park, stupid place to bin. Everyone was in the wrong place on that corner! Let this be a reminder to give the guy in front and behind you a good cage length of space.

On a side note, I think that will be my last ATNR, I haven't been on many, but its just too big. Whats the bin count at now? It will be pretty high I'm sure. It was a great time riding with you all, big thanks to the qkkidd + qkchk [insert name here if you helped as well] for organizing it - you've done a great job.

Remember to keep it EZ

Rm

[Qkkid]

All that matters is no one was hurt and we dont have many bins do the numbers 35 bikes and up to 60 in the peak of summer every thurs night. Our last binn would have been 4 months ago maybe longer matey.

[Qkkid]

26 bikes have binned over 2 and a half years about 3000 bikes have done our ride. do the math i cant be bothered

[Pancakes]

26 bikes have binned over 2 and a half years about 3000 bikes have done our ride. do the math i cant be bothered

~0.86%, your more likely to sleep with someone with chlamidiya (sp?), if it was at the Outback in Hamilton, 10x more likely, if it was in the Outback in the 'Tron with Carver 10,000x more likely!

The point that I can see is most accidents (and I have been involved in reserching accidents in outdoors pursuits) is that very few accidents have ONE cause. Most have 4 or more contributing factors that were all needed to have the event. I'm never saw the bins and don't assume to have any idea to what happened but would encourage people to think through what they need to do in emergencies maybe when your in the shower and relaxed. It is alot better place to form some ideas in, if the first time you've had to consider your actions is in an emergency they will be very clouded with adreneline and emotion. Also, there can be trucks, cows, gravel etc all over the road. The thing being hit isn't as important as the fact that it got hit. Again, planning and knowing your limit. Target fixation too is a major.

Hope everyone involved has intact egos and wallets and friendships too and glad there are no Doctors bills to be paid.

Have to add that the bins I have seen on the ride havn't been regulars and they might forget others know the roads a bit better. Very handy when the road has ripples and holes on the exits of lots of the corners.


See you punks next week!


Nice leading of our little bunch HospitalFood.

[Toaster]

your more likely to sleep with someone with chlamidiya

Is that a threesome? She must get around that girl!

[skidMark]

all the ones who crash are muppets i mean heck....

i hardly stay on a bike long enough to call it riding it, and i havnt crashed on the ATNR!

i mean if i havnt crashed on it like...wtf lol

they are not tricky corners.....people just get cocky in groups...hey they can do the corner at this speed i must be able ot too...i will just take a slightly different line oh look i'm running wide oh noes it's beoynds saving think of t3h chidrenz! stand it up on the picks....slides out from under them = one newb (with more soon to follow as they go omg oh noes somebody come off i will look at them instead of where t3h fux i'm goingz! )in a ditch with bike sliding next to them.

as you were

[The Stranger:Me]

My point still stands, if the bikes were on the other side of the white line they had no business bein run into. If they were parked on the road they were right to be run over. I don't know the guy on the gixxer and no offense meant to him whoever he is I'm sure he is a more experienced rider then myself. Say there was a pedestrian jogging on the side of the road would you blame him Noel? I think not. Think of the bike parked on the side of the road as a jogger just doing his thing and BANG.

That's the spirit Raj, in true KB tradition, someone will always be there to argue against a patently self evident truth.

As for the new topic of who was to who was to blame for the second accident.
I was not there, so really am in no position to comment authoritatively, however I believe it was the jogger jumping unexpectedly in front of the gixxer.


PS. I am notifying Spank of your second log on JSG.

[The Stranger:Me]

yeah where we were parked was not a good spot. The zrx1200 binned right in front of me and I pulled over to see if he was ok, I wasn't thinking about my bike, just the dude in the fence...

It looked like the giiixer just took off sv's indicator and my mirror - no real damage.

To be fair, when he binned, we slowed down (he was right in front of me) and pulled over at the nearest spot, on the exit of the corner? Perhaps, but you'd have to be riding pretty damn close to the edge to come anywhere near the bikes.

Stupid place to park, stupid place to bin. Everyone was in the wrong place on that corner! Let this be a reminder to give the guy in front and behind you a good cage length of space.

On a side note, I think that will be my last ATNR, I haven't been on many, but its just too big. Whats the bin count at now? It will be pretty high I'm sure. It was a great time riding with you all, big thanks to the qkkidd + qkchk [insert name here if you helped as well] for organizing it - you've done a great job.

Remember to keep it EZ

Rm

A good post RM.

As to the second bin. In all honesty, this happens a bloody LOT. The comotion distracts a following rider, they target fixate and by the time they realise what is happening, it's all gone south.

It is not the ride that is dangerous, it is the rider that makes it so. If you choose to ride in a sane fashion you are no more likely to bin on the ATNR

[The Pastor]

A good post RM.

As to the second bin. In all honesty, this happens a bloody LOT. The comotion distracts a following rider, they target fixate and by the time they realise what is happening, it's all gone south.

It is not the ride that is dangerous, it is the rider that makes it so. If you choose to ride in a sane fashion you are no more likely to bin on the ATNR

Not true.

You get a large hall and blindfold two people and tell them to run around in any way they want. Then do the same with 30 people.

Which group is going to have the most accidents?

The first accident happened because there simply wasnt enough room on the coner for all the bikes.

[The Stranger:Me]

Not true.

You get a large hall and blindfold two people and tell them to run around in any way they want. Then do the same with 30 people.

Which group is going to have the most accidents?

The first accident happened because there simply wasnt enough room on the coner for all the bikes.

So let me get this right, you are saying Not true to my assertion "It is not the ride that is dangerous, it is the rider that makes it so. If you choose to ride in a sane fashion you are no more likely to bin on the ATNR"?

Then you proceed to support my argument by pointing out that it was clearly rider error in your last sentance.
Why would you do that?

The blinfold analogy is really not worth addressing as, knowing you, I am sure it is a piss take anyway.

[The Pastor]

there is a little bit of truth to both our arguements. Yes it is 100% the riders fault that the accident occured. Would it of happend in a smaller group? I don't think so.

[mitchilin]

all the ones who crash are muppets i mean heck....

i hardly stay on a bike long enough to call it riding it, and i havnt crashed on the ATNR!

i mean if i havnt crashed on it like...wtf lol

they are not tricky corners.....people just get cocky in groups...hey they can do the corner at this speed i must be able ot too...i will just take a slightly different line oh look i'm running wide oh noes it's beoynds saving think of t3h chidrenz! stand it up on the picks....slides out from under them = one newb (with more soon to follow as they go omg oh noes somebody come off i will look at them instead of where t3h fux i'm goingz! )in a ditch with bike sliding next to them.

as you were

That's a little harsh.The guy's been riding since he was a kid.He' got a garage full of motorcycles.His kids have been bought up on bikes and are on their fourth or fifth now.He hasn't binned a bike on the road in over fifteen years,so he's no learner.He might be new to these rides but he's no newb and he's not a muppet.He was a victim of his own enthusiasm,fair enough,but he's feeling pretty stink about the whole deal at the moment and has just reduced the value of his pride and joy significantly.His computers fucked at the moment(like his bike) so I'm sticking up for him while he can't.Let's drop the whole subject and take it as a valuable lesson for all involved and be grateful noone was hurt.

[Kiwibloke]

I guess at the end of the day if i'd been doing 30 or 40kms less and traveling a bit closer to the speed limit i could have just dribbled around the corner and popped out the other side with a smile on my face... As it was i guess i had limited my options a little by being pretty committed to passing the guy in front of me. As soon as his line changed (maybe due to the car coming the opposite way?) i rekon i had 3 choices. 1, carry on with what would have been a pretty dodge pass getting close to another rider and a car coming the opposite way. 2, hit the anchors while stacked over and maybe run up the date of the guy in front and see what happens. Or the 3rd option which i thought was the safest was stand the bike up, brake hard to wash off as much speed as i could and take my chances in the ditch on the side of the road. I've done heaps of dirt biking over the years and grass ditch option didnt seem like a bad one at the time. I thought it was going ok until i got sight of the timber post which jumped out of nowhere and planted itself right in front of me! Anyway, shit happens. I dont blame anyone else for what happened, it was all pretty much self inflicted. I guess it'll probably make me think a little harder before commiting myself to passing for a while. Hey and besides, i was having so much fun on the ride the grin inside my helmet was pretty much ear to ear! I should know by now that when my smiles get that wide i should button off a bit... Oh well. Oh and while im thinking of it, huge apologies to the guy who was gonna pick me up on his ute, i should have grabbed his mob number but he had bailed by the time i thought of it. I managed to ride the bike home without too much drama in the end. And also cheers for the hand to lift my bike back up who ever you are. Nothing like good help when you need it. As for my mint ZRX1200R... Ive had the bike for just over 2yrs and its the first time its tipped over. Bugga! Suprisingly the damage wasnt too bad, the old girl actually crashed quite well. The bars are toasted, the tank got a good punch, the gauges are damaged beyond repair and the bikini fairing exploded into a million pieces. The engine cases came thru it looking suprisingly good with barely a mark and the radiator managed to get thru unscathed too. If it hadnt been for that dirty rotten 4x4 post it could have been a lot less i rekon. I think i had got rid of most of my speed by that stage but who knows... Ask the guy behind me he would have got a shit hot veiw! Hey and i rekon he did alright not to get target fixation and sail off the road with me. Anyway i wont let that little mis-hap stop me from riding bikes, but it'll probably slow me down...for a while anyway.

[hedgier1]

Hey guys, Get over yourselves...... The ride is over and yes there were bins.....So what. It is part of riding a bike. Everyone has one at sumstage. Who is at fault????The rider is at fault.
The Qkkies have done an outstanding job organising the ATNR for ages. Big ups for them.
QKkid was great riding with you again.
Yamahar64life (Raj) get an R1 and maybe you will be faster and be able to ride.
I am not a fast rider.
Have a great time next thursday guys.
Archerwc great skills dude. have to sort my bike out for next time and learn the roads (the only advantage ya had) hehehehehehe