Wellington says no to bikes on footpath.

**James Deuce** · 27th November 2007, 16:17

Originally Posted by ThumperNut

However, technically, WCC bylaws do NOT permit motorcycles to use pay-and-display:
18.6.5 No person shall park a motorcycle in any parking meter area controlled by a multiple parking meter, other than in any part specifically set aside for motorcycles.

I've already pointed that out to several WCC employees and Parkwise. They INSIST on attempting to tell me that it is alright to park in a multi-bay meter covered park. They go quiet the moment I quote 18.6.5 back to them. Even trying to get friendly WCC employees to investigate the legality of using multi-bay meter covered parks has proved fruitless.

I'm not a ratepayer in the WCC catchment. Could a ratepayer please attend a meeting and bring this up?

**Fatjim** · 27th November 2007, 16:38

Thumper, those laws only apply to individually metered parks only, not pay and display.

As jim52 pointed out in his youth, there aren't many of those left!

**rwh** · 28th November 2007, 10:08

Originally Posted by Drogen Omen

Here are some good examples:
Go to the Property Search page on WCC web site: http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic...ch/search.html
Look up 181 Willis St : http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic...ccount=1124635
Click on View Aerial Photo. You will see that the boundary extents to some footpath mounted bollards. There are two legal carparks on the pavement inside these bollards.

Interesting .. at 150 Willis St, it appears that most of us park on the footpath, despite being one floor up in the carpark :-)

Richard

**don rocard** · 28th November 2007, 10:40

I think this is a job for B.R.O.N.Z. to get their teeth into as it is a nationwide hassle.A definitive ruling should be demanded from the appropriate authority.In Auckland a bike rider by the name of John Banks the Mayor could be a crusader for this.

**ThumperNut** · 28th November 2007, 10:45

A further interesting development this morning. One of my colleagues happened to talk to a Parkwise warden on Willis St. The gist of the conversation was that no further tickets would be issued for bikes parked in front of a particular building where the boundary extends well out onto the paved area (although the warden seemed unaware of the fact that this is private property) and that tickets previously issued (last week) would be waived.

I've sent in my explanatory letter today for the ticket I received there so we'll see in due course if this is in fact true. The fact that I have received no more tickets parking there this week suggests that this may be true.

**Drum** · 28th November 2007, 11:00

Originally Posted by don rocard

......A definitive ruling should be demanded from the appropriate authority......

If you force a definitive ruling you'll get one alright - no parking on the footpath!

Ambiguity is our friend, as it is with lanesplitting.

**Dodger** · 28th November 2007, 11:06

Originally Posted by Drum

Ambiguity is our friend, as it is with lanesplitting.

I'm shocked, you would never lanesplit would you?

Has anyone contested their parking ticket and got off yet?

**ThumperNut** · 28th November 2007, 12:06

Originally Posted by Dodger

Has anyone contested their parking ticket and got off yet?

Working on it. I'll let you know when I have a response to my submission/reason/excuse

**Drum** · 28th November 2007, 12:34

My submission is in. Waiting to hear back.

**pete376403** · 28th November 2007, 19:31

Originally Posted by don rocard

I think this is a job for B.R.O.N.Z. to get their teeth into as it is a nationwide hassle.A definitive ruling should be demanded from the appropriate authority.In Auckland a bike rider by the name of John Banks the Mayor could be a crusader for this.

And in Wellington it could be counciller Chris Parkin (if he's still on the council)
he has a Ducati or summat like that

**ThumperNut** · 28th November 2007, 19:50

In case it helps anyone, here is a response I received today from WCC regarding motorcycle parking in Coupon Parking Areas. There are some coupon areas quite close to the CBD. (See http://http://www.wellington.govt.nz...parkingmap.pdf )

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Dear TN,

Thank you for your email today enquiring if motorcycles parked in coupon parking zones are required to display a coupon.

TN, we have contacted Parkwise regarding your enquiry and they have stated that motorcycles are not required to pay for parking in coupon parking zones, and therefore do not need to display a parking coupon.

If you need further clarification on this, you may contact Parkwise direct on (04) 801 3555. Alternatively you can contact the Wellington City Council Customer Contact Centre on (04) 499 4444 and during business hours we will transfer you through to Parkwise, and after hours we will take the details of your enquiry/compliant and pass them onto an after hours parking warden for their action.

For more information in parking in Wellington, please see our website.

* www.wellington.govt.nz/services/parking/index.html

Please also find attached a list of the various approved motorcycle parks in Wellington.

If we can help you further TN, or you have any questions about Wellington City Council services, please call our 24-hour Customer Contact Centre on (04) 499 4444 or email info@wcc.govt.nz

Regards

Justin Tuttle
Online Channel Coordinator
Citizen Engagement Directorate
Wellington City Council
101 Wakefield St.
Wellington
Contact (04) 499 4444
Fax (04) 801 3138
Email info@wcc.govt.nz

**Drum** · 28th November 2007, 20:55

Letter was waiting for me when I got home. In all their wisdom they have decided to cancel my ticket.

**Bullitt** · 29th November 2007, 20:50

So what does that mean Thumper? We can legally park a bike in a pay and display park without paying anything?

If so that could be the answer, one bike per park...

**ThumperNut** · 29th November 2007, 21:22

You can park a bike in a Coupon Parking area without needing a coupon. However, don't confuse this with Pay And Display.
The parking areas in town where you put money in the nearby machine and get a printed ticket for the vehicle are Pay and Display, not Coupon parking.
The coupon parking areas are further out like in Kelburn, Thorndon, Mt Vic etc and you buy the coupons from dairies or at the Council.

On a slightly different note, it occurs to me that the by-law about bikes and pay and display areas may have a subtle loophole in it, but you would need to get a lawyer type to confirm this (I'm only an engineer!).
The by-law states:
18.6.5 No person shall park a motorcycle in any parking meter area controlled by a multiple parking meter, other than in any part specifically set aside for motorcycles.

Note that it says '.. any parking meter area controlled by a multiple parking meter..'.
My point here is that if there is not a 'part specifically set aside for motorcycles' in the area controlled by a particular pay-and-display meter, this rule would not apply.
To put it another way, could it be inferred that you can park on pay-and-display carparks if there is no directly associated area set aside for motorcycles? You might have to have a pay-and-display chit though.
Might be interesting to test this!