Top cop says bikers are incompetant and pissed

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I thought it was totally outrageous! "Odd cafes" indeed....
I'm very picky about what cafes I choose to frequent.

me to... I must find this cafe that sells beer... ?

[Swoop]

Un-substantiated, ill informed utterings like that, deserve no respect at all, maybe his superiors would like to send him on a communucations course, or put him back on the beat where his feet will serve him better than his mouth.

Let's get your bling levels up...

[fishb8nz]

Not that we share anything other than a nodding acquaintance.

And, there's about 4 greybeard bikers close by.

Funny, I've only seen bikers taking an espresso or lattes during their cafe stops. Never grog

[WRT]

"Born Again" riders are very real, and they are heavily represented in accident figures - particularly single vehicle. However, what they have to do with the incidents that happened over the weekend, I have no idea.

[scumdog]

You bunch of cry babies seem to have an uncanny ability to take what is obviously a generalised comment very personally.

True SC - but they could get me to do the 'foot-in-mouth' act just as easily on a much lower salary...

[spudchucka]

pot or kettle??

Not pot, he said beer and probably the odd pack of kettle frys too.

[MisterD]

Nah, he's all wrong. It's us "my bike's older than me" scooterists that are the piss-artists...

[Ixion]

You bunch of cry babies seem to have an uncanny ability to take what is obviously a generalised comment very personally.

Such generalised coments, if not refuted, very quickly enter the corpus of received wisdom, the things "that everybody knows", and all too frequently lead to quite particular regulations and restrictions.

[Krusti]

To some extent I agree with him. He did say some, not all.

You or I may not have a beer on our way around Corro loop but I know some do.

I have also come across some born again bikers who's brain have not yet caught up with thier bike, some younger ones too!

Although I don't totally agree with what he said he did make a couple of valid observations.

[robertydog]

I find that interesting when over the weekend there were two high profile accidents. And its clear that the 4 wheel vechiles were on the wrong side of the road.
I think his comments are not needed and im wondering if there is panic starting to set in amongest the law inforcement. He probably wont get is bonus this year.

My thoughts are with those families at this time.

[Bonez]

Anyone thought there may be a little truth in his statements? I personnally know a "born again rider" who will have a tiddle when he goes for a ride.

Mind you I've done the same myself on occasion and so have some I've riden with.

[spudchucka]

Such generalised coments, if not refuted, very quickly enter the corpus of received wisdom, the things "that everybody knows", and all too frequently lead to quite particular regulations and restrictions.

Sort of like how all cops became rapists once a complaint was made against a top ranking cop?

[Grahameeboy]

You bunch of cry babies seem to have an uncanny ability to take what is obviously a generalised comment very personally.

Agreed...............I mean I know I don't drink and ride so me not paranoid.

Guess it could be those guilty bikers who take it personally.............

[Ixion]

Sort of like how all cops became rapists once a complaint was made against a top ranking cop?

Precisely so. Just as I'm sure Mr Tooman would object to any of his cops being branded as rapists because one cop was so convicted, so motorcyclists may object to being universely branded as pissed and incompetant (the more so since so far we have not seen even the one convicted instance to back Mr Tooman's theory).

I must include that analogy when I write to Mr Tooman.

[Ixion]

Agreed...............I mean I know I don't drink and ride so me not paranoid.

Guess it could be those guilty bikers who take it personally.............

Actually it's not drinking and riding that he points the finger at, it's drinking riding and crashing. So the question is not how many bikers do or do not have a drink, it's how many have a drink and then crash.

Specifically, on the open road (since he references bikers coming down from Auckland). Not in the city.I suspect the number would be very small.

Ther've been a fair few crashes on teh Coro loop reproted here. But the number caused by the rider being pissed ? Dunno if anyone knows of any, but I don't.