Key phucks up again

[The Stranger:Me]

Mallard plea is based on political considerations. He has publicly acknowledged that he 'punched' Henare and Henare has accepted Mallards apolgy. In the publics pereception Mallard is the guilty party and Henare comes out squeaky clean. Mallard by pleading guilty leaves himself open to political attack in house, and a criminal conviction to boot. He comes out of this worse off than he is at present. Which I suspect is the real reason for the private prosecution. But here's the kicker. If Henare is called to testify and he can be called both by the prosecution and the defence where he may be declared hostile. Henare is under oath and subject to cross examination. What was said by Henare for Mallad to act the way that he did?? The result of this is that Henare may come out of this worse than Mallard who may be found not guilty. Mallard does not have to give evidence and I would think it unlikely for his counsel to insist that he do so.


Skyryder

What on earth does any of that have to do with accepting personal responsibility?
He fucked up - he should just accept that this is a consequence of a fuck up!

Is it any wonder much of the rest of the population refuse to accept personal responsibility when there are so many high profile cases coming out of government setting the example.

So once again a career Politian puts his career before the greater good of the country.
The arseholes should all be limited to a max 2 terms so they have no career to put first.

[Oscar]

Yep I agree Key promoting himself should be seen for what it is..........trivia but one thing as a leader is that you don't blame others. And Key has. It's the 'Keywi' way. Key has consistantly failed in this area. His support is based on the publics dislike of Clark. That is the reason for the CD to promote himself.

As for the other matter I'd get a cheaper Internet provider.


Skyryder

You seem to have forgotten Helen standing by whilst the cops in her entourage were crucified.

And Helen doesn't promote herself?
Do you remember the airbrushed posters?
Publicly funded pledge cards?

You need to slow down and take all the facts in - I realise it must be difficult with only one eye.

[Skyryder]

What on earth does any of that have to do with accepting personal responsibility?
He fucked up - he should just accept that this is a consequence of a fuck up!

Is it any wonder much of the rest of the population refuse to accept personal responsibility when there are so many high profile cases coming out of government setting the example.

So once again a career Politian puts his career before the greater good of the country.
The arseholes should all be limited to a max 2 terms so they have no career to put first.

By offering Henare an apology Mallard has accepted personal responsibility. That is in essence what an apology entails. I believe he has made other statement to much the same effect.

Skyryder

[Finn]

By offering Henare an apology Mallard has accepted personal responsibility. That is in essence what an apology entails. I believe he has made other statement to much the same effect.

Skyryder

Ahem...

I think most people are aware of what has happened to date. Erin Leigh revealed that a number of Environment Ministry staff were very unhappy with David Parker “suggesting” Claire Curran be hired, as they saw it as politicising the Ministry.

Trevor Mallard then got up in Parliament and labeled Leigh sad and incompetent.

This has been refuted by numerous neutral civil servants who have in fact raved about how good she is. Mind you, even if someone is not that good at their job, how much money would the Employment Tribunal award for a boss who gets up in public and calls her incompetent in front of the nation’s media? Trevor is off to a good start as Minister of Labour.

Anyway the 9th floor had been pushing stories about how Trevor went off on his own, and how Clark was not happy. So we got to hear yesterday what she though of Trevor Mallard using parliamentary privilege to destroy the career of a young former public servant.

From Hansard:

John Key: Does she condone or approve of Trevor Mallard’s savage attack, using parliamentary privilege, on *Erin Leigh when she blew the whistle on political interference at the Ministry for* the Environment?

HELEN CLARK: My understanding is that the Minister spoke on advice. Having read the Hansard, I consider it rather mild by his standards.

The translation is:

“The bitch should be glad Trevor didn’t punch her little face in, like he did to Tau”

I mean, seriously, does anyone other than Helen really think what Mallard did is appropriate?

It just goes to show how fake she was over Mallard needing to get his anger under control, and how she was demoting him.

Also nice to know that our Prime Minister no longer holds Minister to a high set of standards. What is the standard she now holds them to - “by his standards”. So its official Ministers are now to be judged against the standards of Trevor Mallard. I can safely predict none will ever fail!!

[Skyryder]

You seem to have forgotten Helen standing by whilst the cops in her entourage were crucified.

And Helen doesn't promote herself?
Do you remember the airbrushed posters?
Publicly funded pledge cards?

You need to slow down and take all the facts in - I realise it must be difficult with only one eye.

I believe you are referring to the so called 'Speedgate' affair.
There is such a thing as driver responsibilty. What pissedme off about that is the so called 'whip-round' in cabinet to pay the coppers fines. Seems to me that there was more than sympathy in that if indeed it did occur. Judge let them all off............. eventually.. Try blame your pillion next time you get caught speeding.

Nothing wrong with photoshop it's the way of the world. I doubt if there would not be many photos that have not been 'tricked out' even Key wears makup when he is interviewed on telly.

The pledge cards was orignaly sighned off as OK by the Solicitor General.
You have insulted me by calling me one eyed. I'm a cantab...........blind in both eyes.

Skyyrder

[Sanx]

Nothing wrong with photoshop it's the way of the world. I doubt if there would not be many photos that have not been 'tricked out' even Key wears makup when he is interviewed on telly.

Everyone wears make-up on TV, as the extremely bright studio lights tend to make people without makeup look like zombies. On the other hand, not everyone has their skin de-wrinkled, complexion smoothed over and teeth straightened by photoshop for an election poster.

The pledge cards was orignaly sighned off as OK by the Solicitor General.

Balls. No they weren't. The solicitor general does no pre-approve election or parliamentary spending. He is the crown's chief legal adviser and advocate, rules on aspects of law and authorises prosecutions. The parliamentary office dispurses parliament funds for normal parliament business, and these are the funds that were misused. Labour claimed the pledge card was normal parliamentary business and did not constitute electioneering. The Chief Electoral Officer, the Electoral Commission, the Auditor-General and the Solicitor-General all disagreed. This led to the introduction of the Appropriation (Continuation of Interim Meaning of Funding for Parliamentary Purposes) Bill, so sole purpose of which was to, in retrospect, legalise Labour's misuse of public money.

This blatant piece of dishonesty is further exaggerated by the Electoral Finance Bill which seeks to prevent other parties (in both senses of the word) from receiving and using their own money in an election year. According to Labour, it's OK to steal money from the public purse to use for electioneering, but third parties are no able to donate their own money to political parties anonymously or spend their own money to conduct campaigns themselves.

This whole thread has been typical of what I've come to expect from zealous Labour party apparatchiks. Ignore the vast catalogue of things this government have lied about, and seize on the most insignificant stuff-up by National. In this case, the fact that a piece of music commissioned by the production company employed to produce Key's promotional DVD is markedly similar to Coldplay's Clocks. National's move to fix the situation - withdraw the offending DVD - is classed as a U-turn.

Of course, if it had been Labour that had produced this DVD, they would have simply introduced a bill to legalise their copyright infringement and prevent other musicians from producing music in an election year that could conceivably be similar to something Labour themselves might come up with.

[Skyryder]

Ahem...

I think most people are aware of what has happened to date. Erin Leigh revealed that a number of Environment Ministry staff were very unhappy with David Parker “suggesting” Claire Curran be hired, as they saw it as politicising the Ministry.

Trevor Mallard then got up in Parliament and labeled Leigh sad and incompetent.

This has been refuted by numerous neutral civil servants who have in fact raved about how good she is. Mind you, even if someone is not that good at their job, how much money would the Employment Tribunal award for a boss who gets up in public and calls her incompetent in front of the nation’s media? Trevor is off to a good start as Minister of Labour.

Anyway the 9th floor had been pushing stories about how Trevor went off on his own, and how Clark was not happy. So we got to hear yesterday what she though of Trevor Mallard using parliamentary privilege to destroy the career of a young former public servant.

From Hansard:

John Key: Does she condone or approve of Trevor Mallard’s savage attack, using parliamentary privilege, on *Erin Leigh when she blew the whistle on political interference at the Ministry for* the Environment?

HELEN CLARK: My understanding is that the Minister spoke on advice. Having read the Hansard, I consider it rather mild by his standards.

The translation is:

“The bitch should be glad Trevor didn’t punch her little face in, like he did to Tau”

I mean, seriously, does anyone other than Helen really think what Mallard did is appropriate?

It just goes to show how fake she was over Mallard needing to get his anger under control, and how she was demoting him.

Also nice to know that our Prime Minister no longer holds Minister to a high set of standards. What is the standard she now holds them to - “by his standards”. So its official Ministers are now to be judged against the standards of Trevor Mallard. I can safely predict none will ever fail!!

Translation from what............... or is your quote on the record?? There is a difference.


I don't dispute the general tenure of what you have written about Mallard and what he did and said in Parliament I consider to be and 'abuse' of Parliamentary Privilege. There is much that goes in politics that in the 'ordinary' world tht to us is unacceptable but the ordinary world does not make the laws or have Parliamentary privilege. And yet the culture of the nation is set by the standards of those that make our laws and this is much the same in business. Standards are set by those in control and where there are 'no' or little standards there is 'no' or little control from subordinates in relation to ethics or behavior. In the issue that I have raised I have suggested some reasoning behind Mallards defence. This should not be interpreted that I have approved of his actions as some seem to imply. However there is a defence of provocation for assault and this can be taken into account by a judge. I believe that this is what Mallard intends to do (by way of a not guilty plea) and Henare wishes to avoid............going by the reports in today’s Press. It's politics and power and the Queensbury rules unfortunately no longer apply.............if indeed they ever did.

I also see ACT'S hand in this but to date it's under the table. I hear a little dickey bird going cheep 'cheap.'

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Balls. No they weren't. The solicitor general does no pre-approve election or parliamentary spending. He is the crown's chief legal adviser and advocate, rules on aspects of law and authorises prosecutions.

My mistake. I should have said Auditor General. The only party that was in the clear in this was the Progressives all the others were in on the rort. Old news..............old story...................I've moved on.

Skyyrder

[Oscar]

Translation from what............... or is your quote on the record?? There is a difference.


I don't dispute the general tenure of what you have written about Mallard and what he did and said in Parliament I consider to be and 'abuse' of Parliamentary Privilege. There is much that goes in politics that in the 'ordinary' world tht to us is unacceptable but the ordinary world does not make the laws or have Parliamentary privilege. And yet the culture of the nation is set by the standards of those that make our laws and this is much the same in business. Standards are set by those in control and where there are 'no' or little standards there is 'no' or little control from subordinates in relation to ethics or behavior. In the issue that I have raised I have suggested some reasoning behind Mallards defence. This should not be interpreted that I have approved of his actions as some seem to imply. However there is a defence of provocation for assault and this can be taken into account by a judge. I believe that this is what Mallard intends to do (by way of a not guilty plea) and Henare wishes to avoid............going by the reports in today’s Press. It's politics and power and the Queensbury rules unfortunately no longer apply.............if indeed they ever did.

I also see ACT'S hand in this but to date it's under the table. I hear a little dickey bird going cheep 'cheap.'

Skyryder

So let's get this straight - Mallard commits common assault but you say there are mitigating circumstances. Key blames an Outside Contractor for a fuck up (which they admit to), and you say he's not fit to govern.

Interesting moral gymnastics.

[Skyryder]

So let's get this straight - Mallard commits common assault but you say there are mitigating circumstances. Key blames an Outside Contractor for a fuck up (which they admit to), and you say he's not fit to govern.

Interesting moral gymnastics.

Mallard has admitted publicy and apologised for assaulting Henare. He did not try and lay the blame anywhere other than on himself. This was his public position. Seems to me that he has squared up front for that.

Key's public position was to lay the blame as leader of the National Party on others than himself. Read my original post concerning this and try and understand the differnce between his public posititon and his political position. The two are not the same. This is Real politick. If you can not understand this there not much point in continueing the exchange.

Skyyrder

[The Stranger:Me]

Mallard has admitted publicy and apologised for assaulting Henare. He did not try and lay the blame anywhere other than on himself. This was his public position. Seems to me that he has squared up front for that.

Key's public position was to lay the blame as leader of the National Party on others than himself. Read my original post concerning this and try and understand the differnce between his public posititon and his political position. The two are not the same. This is Real politick. If you can not understand this there not much point in continueing the exchange.

Skyyrder

So IIIryder, there is some evidence that Key is lying?
Lying or not, he has acted properly when a mistake was made and withdrawn the offending material.

Sure Mallard was quick to apologise for his mistake (well one of them anyway) - until there was a repercussion, then he changes his stance to not guilty - doesn't look like acceptance to me.

I don't expect that a politician will not make a mistake, we are all human, we all make them. It's not that they make a mistake, it's what they do about it.

[JimO]

the thing is john Key is a man, looks like a man , talks like a man. Herr Clark is a female, looks like a man, talks like a man. she is shifty and obviously has a poor memory..........dont recall texting during the queens bla bla ...NZ has a history of voting govmnts out not in so hopefully she will be out and will take that cringemaking arsewipe cullen with her

[Usarka]

Mallard has admitted publicy and apologised for assaulting Henare. He did not try and lay the blame anywhere other than on himself. This was his public position. Seems to me that he has squared up front for that.

Key's public position was to lay the blame as leader of the National Party on others than himself. Read my original post concerning this and try and understand the differnce between his public posititon and his political position. The two are not the same. This is Real politick. If you can not understand this there not much point in continueing the exchange.

Skyyrder

How much responsibility did helen take for the motorcade, painting, corngate, election spending, benson pope, philip "taito" field, yadayadayada so many things that most NZ'ers have forgotten most of them etc etc etc.

[Skyryder]

How much responsibility did helen take for the motorcade, painting, corngate, election spending, benson pope, philip "taito" field, yadayadayada so many things that most NZ'ers have forgotten most of them etc etc etc.

They are old issues so no point in raising them. I've probably commented on them in other threads both for and against etc.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

So IIIryder, there is some evidence that Key is lying?
Lying or not, he has acted properly when a mistake was made and withdrawn the offending material.

Sure Mallard was quick to apologise for his mistake (well one of them anyway) - until there was a repercussion, then he changes his stance to not guilty - doesn't look like acceptance to me.

I don't expect that a politician will not make a mistake, we are all human, we all make them. It's not that they make a mistake, it's what they do about it.

I have never suggested that Key is lying. I am of the that he is honest in this respect and I have no knowledge of his dishonesty in any others. Harry Trueman had a sign of his desk. THE BUCK STOPS HERE. That's the mark of leadership...........anywhere.................... but with Key. Nope not my fault.

Skyryder