Bike gangs: ever ridden with them?

[98tls]

SMELLY indeed. Ever had the, "what the fuck are you looking at cunt" dropped on you while trying to pretend the mobster infront of you is just a figment of your imagination? Would we all try to reason with it? No, more like get the hell outa there...in one piece.

see your point.When 21 (roughly) myself and a mate rode to the dog house in ch ch late one night on a couple of old commandos..came out with our burgers to see my mate telling a very pissed MM member why no matter how much he belived his right to take it was wrong the guy wouldnt understand so as the fucker was large i picked up a hefty looking treadly and knocked the fucker over........luckily for us as his mates started to disembake there customline a heap of bikers started arriving..so they did nothing...said bikers were unknown to us and we just rode off.

[fredie]

what about ''the finks'' or ''gods garbage'' or ''white power demons''

[sunhuntin]

ive never had my house broken into, had drugs pushed on me and never had anything stolen from me from patched people.

i HAVE had stuff stolen from me, very nearly been raped, almost had my arm broken AND had drugs pushed on me from my very own brother! wtf does that tell you? and no... he doesnt wear a patch. he just wishes he did.

guess what? people without patches push drugs, rape, steal, kill, abuse and tag shit as well. guess we aint that good are we?

and where did i ever say anything about worship?? fuck that shit. i just give all humans equal chance until they prove me otherwise. i dont disrespect people over their looks, disabilities, type of bike whatever. i respect just enough to get to know how far to go. when they treat me good or bad, thats when i make my judgements.

i respect my boss, i respect my parents and i respect those canadians i call my brothers and sisters.

[saltydog]

yes yes, but these gangs profit from crime in an organised way. Not some random punk, or P addict breaking into your house so he/she can buy their next fix, or some pissed guy following you home because he thinks hes going to score with you.....these guys contract manufacture drugs then distribute, they run chop shops, pimp girls, fraud, you name it......hell these guys are so tricky the cops have a difficult time pinning anything on them. They stand for and represent organised crime in NZ. Like for example if i say Yakuza, what do you think of? So although we may get one of these guys on their own and theyre quite nice, whatever......put them together and it spells trouble.

[jahrasti]

Like most people have said I know people in both ethnic gangs and OMG.
Many of whom I went to school with. By themselves we talk shit and catch up. In their gang capacity it is a different story.
Don't you think they all could be buds with each other? If all te psyeudo(sp?) is from asialand don't you think they could be in each others back pocket to keep everyone happy?

[sunhuntin]

I had this occassion to come up on the back of the mob one time. I was on my old FJ coming out of Welly and there was about 30 of them, Harleys, Nortons, and trumpys and fanging it. The leader? (with attached 50kg model hanging off the sissy bar) would overtake (whenever there was a gap, any gap) and the whole pack would follow, regardless of traffic, yellow lines, cops, whatever. Now dont get me wrong, the noise of all these bikes opening up was awesume, the pack mentatility was excelerating... and hell did the oncoming cars get out of the way, but fuck that..... I stuck with them, hanging off the back, trying not to get to 'forward' into the tail enders during overtaking, it was a laugh. Not one time did they acknowledge my presence, not a nod, glance whatever, just a a stoney stare straight ahead. Must have been good smoke. they turned off just after Shannon and I flew on through.
It was short but very memorable experience.
Who else has has the occassion?

The business

yes yes, but these gangs profit from crime in an organised way. Not some random punk, or P addict breaking into your house so he/she can buy their next fix, or some pissed guy following you home because he thinks hes going to score with you.....these guys contract manufacture drugs then distribute, they run chop shops, pimp girls, fraud, you name it......hell these guys are so tricky the cops have a difficult time pinning anything on them. They stand for and represent organised crime in NZ. Like for example if i say Yakuza, what do you think of? So although we may get one of these guys on their own and theyre quite nice, whatever......put them together and it spells trouble.

so why bother "hanging off the back of them" then?

[Subike]

thiis has got me rather curious,
I need information to enlighted my alcahol soaked brain.
Timaru Motor cycle show? who organized it?
Bear Racing Ruapuna? Who organizrd and ran the first meetings.
Brass Monkey ralley?
Sundowner ralley?
Nelson bays ralley?
And I am sure there are hundreds more ralleys, race events, Bike shows that have been around for the past 30 odd years.....
Now who was it that organised these event that many of you guys /gals go along to and enjoy the fun of motor cycling at its best.

I hear the question,
Why no jappanese bike in "gang" Motorcycle clubs?
Because Jap bikes are realitivly recent additions to out roads.
The clubs were formed origionally in the 50's 60's time eara when "jap" bikes were not on the market.
Im sure you can all remember the tinny sound of the first 2 strokes that arrived in NZ, at the time, any self respecting bike rider would not ride one.
The label stuck for years
Oh um, if it was not for the "bikies" the demand for quality european, brithish, american bikes would have ment NZ would have jack shit on the road

[saltydog]

so why bother "hanging off the back of them" then?

What was I going to do? The big hell mauovure through a 30 odd pack of nasty looking fellas all fanging at 140 and faster, through a bit of traffic? Imagine the look on the officers face as i fly past him with the mob in tow!!!
Who would he pull over?
But yes, hanging back in life is sometimes in good move.

[Winston001]

I hear the question,
Why no jappanese bike in "gang" Motorcycle clubs?
Because Jap bikes are realitivly recent additions to out roads.
The clubs were formed origionally in the 50's 60's time eara when "jap" bikes were not on the market.
Im sure you can all remember the tinny sound of the first 2 strokes that arrived in NZ, at the time, any self respecting bike rider would not ride one.
The label stuck for years
Oh um, if it was not for the "bikies" the demand for quality european, brithish, american bikes would have ment NZ would have jack shit on the road

FWIIW I posted the following on another thread:

The prejudice (against Japanese bikes) started in the late 1960s/early 1970s when Japanese bikes became popular. They were more reliable, faster in a straight line, and cheaper than English/Italian/German bikes. What is more, there was heaps of choice from 50cc - 900cc. Every Jap manufacturer had a complete range of inexpensive bikes and almost overnight they were everywhere.

Harley Davidson barely existed in NZ. The English bikes handled well but leaked oil and often broke down. They were for enthuasists. Eventually Triumph and Norton were swamped by the competition and went into liquidation.

So if you were a biker, you had to have an English bike. It was only for enthusiasts, it was loud, sounded and looked like a real bike, and was unusual because everyone else was riding Japanese. The average blokes were riding zinging two strokes which you sneered at despite their speed (MACH1 Kawasaki - now there is a bike!) Or humming sewing machines with four cylinders which had a buzzing exhaust note. Bleeuugh.

It didn't matter that they were faster etc because you could kick the hell out of the bike (and rider if he was silly enough to stay around) at the next pub.

English bikes became rare and also cost more so they had a kind of snob value.

When the English bikes disappeared the bikers looked around in desperation. Some adopted Ducatis and BMWs but eventually, after selling enough drugs, they started buying Harleys as being the only other true motorbike.

But this attitude went way beyond the gangs. Thousands of guys loved the bad boy image which went with a throaty exhaust note and originals (unwashed denims for you young'uns). They wanted a Bonneville or Commando or Sportster but they were hard to get.

So that is another reason - exclusivity. HDs etc are expensive and have a cult status. It might be irrational but its strong enough to ensure HD keep selling bikes year after year. I'd guess that the ratio of Japanese to BEARS bikes on the road is 10:1 so the Jap bike despite its excellence is just too common to be respected. Silly but there it is.

[Timber020]

thiis has got me rather curious,
I need information to enlighted my alcahol soaked brain.
Timaru Motor cycle show? who organized it?
Bear Racing Ruapuna? Who organizrd and ran the first meetings.
Brass Monkey ralley?
Sundowner ralley?
Nelson bays ralley?
And I am sure there are hundreds more ralleys, race events, Bike shows that have been around for the past 30 odd years.....
Now who was it that organised these event that many of you guys /gals go along to and enjoy the fun of motor cycling at its best.

The IRA, El Quada, mafia, yakuza, hezbollah, Hamas, The SS, KKK, Shining path, all run charity events, community youth programs and various other attempts at keeping good PR, especially in the immediate area in which they live. This is done to keep the locals happy and on side.
Few organised criminal or terrorist enterprises are stupid enough to think they can operate freely or profitably without the support of the local population. Ie they dont crap in there own nests. They are careful not to do anything that might limit there movement, communication and distributions systems. If it means running the odd rally or toy run then its easy.

The leaders of these groups are interested in power and money, gotten any way possible. Not all patched members are criminals, just like not all nazis were war criminals. Groups like the HAMC are great as long as your not in there way.
To many innocent hard working people have, through not fault of there own, found themselves on the wrong side of such groups, and found their lives ruined because of it. Good people have been murdered, houses firebombed, kids killed, carbombs, intimidation, you name it.

My grandfather and grandmother had trouble with them in nz, I have friends who have had bad dealings with the clubs here and in Aus, one had to leave town for defending a woman getting a beating in broad daylight in a small town. Yeah great guys.

[Tank]

The IRA, El Quada, mafia, yakuza, hezbollah, Hamas, The SS, KKK, Shining path, all run charity events, community youth programs and various other attempts at keeping good PR, especially in the immediate area in which they live.

pffft the KKK is a club - not a gang!

They meet monthly to discuss their shared interest in white sheets. Sure a few of them like to hang 'em nigga's but you cant go give them all a bad name for the few that got caught.

geesh!

[beyond]

Hells Angels on Harleys in 1975? I doubt it.A couple of years later the Outcasts were on Harleys,they were the first gang to get Harleys.

I've come across a few sportsbike riders who don't like a chook chaser giving them a hurry up......motorcyclist egos are a fragile thing apparently.

Yep, would have been brit bikes. The noise and ominous threat of a beating and the fact I wasn't into anything else except Jap bikes had me thinking Harleys were around back then in large numbers.
Brit bikes were everywhere then and Jappers got kicked over if left parked anywhere in town especially on Friday nights.

[Winston001]

Brit bikes were everywhere then and Jappers got kicked over if left parked anywhere in town especially on Friday nights.

Yeah I remember that. Once in Dunedin 1978 my mate and I on our jap trail bikes were visiting some local Satan's Sinners. One of the guys quietly urged us to head away because a couple of Henchmen from Christchurch were due to arrive and posed a real danger to us.

I was a naive student and shocked - but managed to disappear in a cloud of two-stroke smoke pdq.

[Tank]

In the news today - see stuff.co.nz and nzherald.co.nz they mention the police raiding the Mongrel Mob who are described as an ethnic gang (not a morotcycle club).

One interesting comment was

"More arrests were likely, he said. Once those arrested became known the community would realise they were the same people who had been presenting themselves as community-minded people, Mr Whitehead said."

[scumdog]

ive never had my house broken into, had drugs pushed on me and never had anything stolen from me from patched people.

i HAVE had stuff stolen from me, very nearly been raped, almost had my arm broken AND had drugs pushed on me from my very own brother! wtf does that tell you? and no... he doesnt wear a patch. he just wishes he did.

guess what? people without patches push drugs, rape, steal, kill, abuse and tag shit as well. guess we aint that good are we?

You might be surprised to find out these non-patched people above were stealing to buy stuff from patched people further up the food chain..or pushing drigs they got from said patched member...or beating people to pay a drug-debt they have with patched people

And people with patches also DO do the stuff you mentioned too.