Which 250 to buy?

[skidMark]

Buy a new Hyosung GTR250. The RGV and NSR are not learner/non mechanically inclined friendly. They will however rape the GTR250 or the ZXR250 once derestricted (unless you buy one that is already derestricted of course).

Having said that, if I were to do it all again, and I was working full time, I'd buy another RGV250.

are you nuts??

he want something fast, hyosung gt250r are a fucking slug.

go the zxr mate, first bike on a learners a 2 stroke is too much balls.

zxr is very reliable, 2 strokes are the ones thatll go bang on ya...blow up and nsr theres 2k down the drain.. just for a top end rebuild (which needs doing every 10,000-15,000k's anyways 2 strokes are a big amount of money to lay down in the first place.

and the money you will spend maintaning it is ridiculous...go the zxr..will be enough grunt for ya.

blow up a zxr and ur looking at $600 for another motor max.

[imdying]

he want something fast, hyosung gt250r are a fucking slug.

Well a zxr250 isn't exactly much of a step up, worse when you consider how old and farked they are.

first bike on a learners a 2 stroke is too much balls.

Only if you're a soft cock... I mean really, they're not so torquey that they're always trying to throw you off... you'd have to be pretty cack handed and totally asking for it to actually run into trouble.

zxr is very reliable, 2 strokes are the ones thatll go bang on ya...blow up and nsr theres 2k down the drain.. just for a top end rebuild (which needs doing every 10,000-15,000k's anyways 2 strokes are a big amount of money to lay down in the first place.

Well what do you expect? It's like comparing a Celica to a Ferrari... one just looks fast RGVs seem to be about $6k in the shops at the moment... didn't RB have a ZXR for $8k recently?? Which one is big money to lay down in the first place? Hell, there's your first rebuild

[skidMark]

Well a zxr250 isn't exactly much of a step up, worse when you consider how old and farked they are.
Only if you're a soft cock... I mean really, they're not so torquey that they're always trying to throw you off... you'd have to be pretty cack handed and totally asking for it to actually run into trouble.
Well what do you expect? It's like comparing a Celica to a Ferrari... one just looks fast RGVs seem to be about $6k in the shops at the moment... didn't RB have a ZXR for $8k recently?? Which one is big money to lay down in the first place? Hell, there's your first rebuild

zxr is a heck of alot gruntier than a hyosung, and hyosungs are shit build quality ever seen the frame welds?

and yes the 2 strokes are too much grunt for a new rider, i would like to see a new rider keep one in the powerband.

if you hit powerband on an rgvout of a corner...mid corner on exit....your gunna have an adventure, it's alot easier to crash a 2 stroke 250 as a new rider

red baron infact had it for $8,495, but they were shafting people through the ass.

you can get an absolutely spotless zxr250c with about 20,000 k's 95 for about 5k.

one of the mechanics at mt edens has one for sale, from memory 92 c model, with 20,000k's on the clock, not a mark on her, listed at 5.5k but i know for a fact if you offer him 5k shes yours, and it is mintttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

i would buy it myself if i had the money.

go talk to the boys at mt eden motorcycles.

[avgas]

They are all POS first bikes (and i love them all).
Get something you can slide down the road, ring the shit out of, drop off the stand and still ride home.
While all the NSR's, ZXR, ABC's.... are all fantastic bikes. They cost more to fix than posh and becks marriage. And WHEN you break something, i dont want to be there to hand you a tissue.
How about the following EL250, SL230, XT225, TS185, TS200, FXR150, GB250, Volty.....
Save yourself a few $$$ both in bike, and repairs. Then when you get your restricted (6 months wait) then look at RGV250 or something (even a 400 something).
Hard facts are, L plates on sportbikes is like Diamond shoes on a gay guy. L plate means 70k - while most cops wont enforce this......some cops HATE 250 sport bikes and will rape you.
Most of all use the use the Prostitutes motto:
"Cheap slow thrills, are better than expensive quick ones"

[Mike748]

If you've got your learners go through the T&E etc, and get an old (repeat old) 250, If you are not that confident at DIY make sure it is running and not pumping smoke. You should be able to get something for $1500 or less, spend another $500 on some reasonable tyres, brake pads, new fluids/filters all round including fork oil, some carb cleaner n new plugs. Google for tech info and go for it. You'll learn heaps, have a bike you will know well and you won't/shouldn't loose when you trade up. Then you can spend more on your gear.

[jade]

I would not reccomend getting a 2 stroke for a first bike
I did and went up the road 5-6 times including the only highside ive had, at 5kph

[bikerboy011]

check out the cbr250rr....

[points]

Yeah m8, i recommend honda cbr250r or the rr. gsx250r.

You can buy one cheapish thats already been dropped,because you're likely to drop ya bike so why buy brand new cowling?
These bikes redline high,the cbr around 18000rpm,so they sound mint they're pretty reliable,lots of parts,they're fast enough to get ya to 200km/h and riding these bikes gives you a good platform and feel to how sportsbikes handle(limited handle bar movement) so that you don't get as big a shock when you step up to a 600 and 1000cc bike. You can throw these 250's round like a ragdoll.

Flag the 2 stroke, and flag trying to get the fastest 250,because really it doesn't even matter how fast ya 250 is, rider ability is the most important thing.Get something to take you to your full licence in one piece.

[imdying]

zxr is a heck of alot gruntier than a hyosung, and hyosungs are shit build quality ever seen the frame welds?

I never seen one break a frame so it's a moot point.

if you hit powerband on an rgvout of a corner...mid corner on exit....your gunna have an adventure

What a crock of shit... have you ever even ridden one?

I would not reccomend getting a 2 stroke for a first bike. I did and went up the road 5-6 times including the only highside ive had, at 5kph

Well I think that says more about you than the bike...

Flag the 2 stroke, and flag trying to get the fastest 250,because really it doesn't even matter how fast ya 250 is, rider ability is the most important thing.

Although having another 20bhp on other 250s doesn't hurt your chances

[Matasorapit]

Thanks guys, this thread has been great info.
Is a 250 still gonna be comfortable for long rides like Auckland to Hamilton or Tauranga or Wellington?

[imdying]

If you're looking to do some distance, you could get something like a VT250 spada or a late VTR250... but it all depends on how tall you are. Go ride a few, you'll soon get a feel for what's comfy and what's not.

[slimyxylofone]

Depends on what stage of riding you are at. I wouldn't recommend the three bikes you have decided to chose from to completely new riders--I think they are all too fast. Since you have already ridden bikes though you might be able to get away with it. For me personally, I learned on a GN250 for 6 months and then bought my current '89 ZXR250. It has been an excellent decision and the ZXR couldn't have been better. I have ridden between Auckland and Dunedin three times on the ZXR and once on the GN250 (now this was uncomfortable!). No problems passing anyone at licence-losing speeds.

The ZXR isn't actually too bad for long trips (1300km in three days). It's not luxury, but certainly do-able! Out of the three bikes you listed as preference I'd go with the four stroke ZXR. They may be old but many have had quiet lives and are still very reliable.

I cannot really comment on the reliability of the ZXR compared to the RGV and NSR, except that everything I have read indicates that the four-strokes are more reliable. This would imply that the ZXR would be better. Of course it really depends on the service history of the individual bikes and if the previous owners have thrashed it.

I have my full licence booked for January 4 '08 and will actually be looking to sell my ZXR then. It currently has 27,000km on the clock (have had since 16,000km). I have owned it for around a year and a half and have had very few problems with it. Did have to change the air filter, brake pads and a seal on the rear brake calliper two services ago, but otherwise services every 5000 km and no worries. Some cosmetic damage (scratching) to right fairing from slow speed drop (this was my doing, unfortunately). I tend to think the Auckland 250 market is highly over-priced (who wants to pay $6500 for a 250?). I will be looking for about 4200 for mine. You could probably get me to 4000 no worries, but not too much lower. shoot me PM if interested.

[avgas]

Bro you should get a CBR250, put some NOS stickers on it with NEONS. Yeh superquick and they have like 100hp so should waste your mates Civic.
Dont forget to get some fat tyres so you go faster bro. Even cut some bigger air rams cos we all know those air rams feed directly into the carbs

[nudedaytona]

Well a zxr250 isn't exactly much of a step up, worse when you consider how old and farked they are.
Only if you're a soft cock... I mean really, they're not so torquey that they're always trying to throw you off... you'd have to be pretty cack handed and totally asking for it to actually run into trouble.
Well what do you expect? It's like comparing a Celica to a Ferrari... one just looks fast RGVs seem to be about $6k in the shops at the moment... didn't RB have a ZXR for $8k recently?? Which one is big money to lay down in the first place? Hell, there's your first rebuild

+1. Get a 2-stroke, like RGV250, NSR250 or TZR250. Late model VJ23 RGV250s look mint, especially ones with all the fast luck strike stickers on. MC28 NSR250s have fancy keycard ignitions to show off (all good until you lose the keycard). I'm learning on my RS250 nice to know there's a bit of power there if I need it.

V-twin 4-strokes like the hyobag are for pussys and we all know what happens to pussys, they get f*cked.

[imdying]

V-twin 4-strokes like the hyobag are for pussys and we all know what happens to pussys, they get f*cked.

Hahahha, no, I'm not advocating that they're for everyone... but what they're certainly not is some sort of evil unmanageable killing machine just waiting to biff you off at the first mistake. Sure it's kinda neat that people thing 2 strokes are that nasty, but it simply isn't the case. In fact, they're big pussy cats... sure they go fast when you wind them on, but just the mid range torque is a lot more fun to ride around on than 250 IL4s too. IMHO. YMMV. IANAL.