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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    'Strue dude. Takes less energy to move a kg a mile on steel rails than any other system. There's just more to the story than that...



    Aw dude, I'm coming over all nostalgic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    YVAN EHT NIOJ?
    By the gods of Kobol, did you just quote the Simpsons? I weep.

    But I'd be in for the sailing ship thing, I'd love that.

    Remember how the Macgillicutty serious party wanted a Great Leap Backwards? Well we're about to get it, but not by choice.

    This whole thread is a repost by the way. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=25254
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steam View Post
    By the gods of Kobol, did you just quote the Simpsons? I weep.

    But I'd be in for the sailing ship thing, I'd love that.

    Remember how the Macgillicutty serious party wanted a Great Leap Backwards? Well we're about to get it, but not by choice.

    This whole thread is a repost by the way. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=25254
    So what?

    And I note you're monika will be redundant in our brave new world, bosun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    And I note you're monika will be redundant in our brave new world, bosun.
    Nothing but the steam rising from sweaty men's backs, as they haul the haliards on a cold winter's morning. Hoo-rah and up she rises
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steam View Post
    Nothing but the steam rising from sweaty men's backs, as they haul the haliards on a cold winter's morning. Hoo-rah and up she rises
    Few years ago, on a scorching summer's day, a coastal collier, (a brigintine), tied up in Westport.

    The Master and his brother, who owned it, caught the train to Wellington on familly business, leaving the two crew to end-for-end the halliards the next day. This involved dropping the lot and short-splicing the bitter ends anew, a job that usually took a whole day. The day dawned warm and cloudless, and got hotter, and at about 10:00 the pub across the wharf opened.

    Being enterprising 1st class seamen the crew dragged the free ends across the wharf, the railway lines and the road and into the bar, so they could continue the job in well quenched comfort. They worked away throughout the day and as the locals drifted in they were pressed for tales of far-off places, in exchange for the odd pint.

    The approach of closing time found the job done, and the hotel owner, well pleased with the effect the afternoon's entertainment had had on his till offered the crew a last pint, on the house. "Right oh mate, then we'd better get this lot back aboard, before the master get's back eh"?

    Two empty glasses hit the bar at precicely six oclock, and at precicely one minute past the train, returning from Wellington with the Master and his brother on board, pulled up at the station, cutting the fuckin lot in half.

    True.
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    ur all too old and clever...

    no matter what if they make emission laws etc and make bikes slow as shit...take the cats out.....

    it's not an issue....

    it's all bullshit anyways

    planets fucked no matter what.

    it's the hondas that ruined the study tho...cus they have more free flowing exhausts.....sumthing about owner maintenance.....and sticking stuff up the zorst to keep it loose i dunno

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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Now the real question...will any of this affect cheap motorcycle imports.
    http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/pub...heet-2-08.html
    Doesn't seem aimed at motorcycles...
    Not with sections like

    4.2 Visible smoke check
    4.2(1) A vehicle to which this section applies must not emit clearly visible smoke when the vehicle’s engine is running at its normal operating temperature, under either of the following conditions:

    (a) for a continuous period of five seconds when the engine is idling;
    (b) as the engine is being accelerated rapidly to approximately 2500 revolutions per minute or approximately half the maximum engine speed (whichever is lower).

    2.5k rpm eh?? I'm not sure anyone would notie if I "accelerated rapidly" to there...might even stall it if I wasn't careful.

    Oh wait...it doesn't apply to bikes at all

    Section 2 Entry requirements
    2.1 Scope of section 2
    2.1(1) Except as provided in 2.1(2), this section applies to vehicles of Classes MA, MB, MC, MD1, MD2, MD3, MD4, ME, NA, NB and NC

    Bikes being class LC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    They don't need to. Thaz wot computers is for. Seriously there is some interesting work going on using sailing ships with the rigging controlled by computers and winches (they could be powered by solar panels I guess)
    I saw some stuff like this a few years back, but with computer controlled sails as a supplement to the main engines aimed at increasing the fuel economy

    I can't remember whether it got as far as real life testing though
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    Quote Originally Posted by huck farley View Post
    Dr Vasic's tests showed that, especially in urban traffic, when motorcyclists frequently accelerated quickly, motorbike engines burned fuel inefficiently, giving a sharp peak in emissions.
    That sentence there prooves just how bullshit this is. IMO

    Motorcycles in general produce more power per CC than cars (normal day to day cars)

    in order to produce power, you must burn fuel, the more efficiently you can combust the fuel the more power you will make.

    So in theory, bikes burn fuel MORE efficiently than cars.

    JMO, and i could be wrong, but that is how i percieve it


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    Sails? Ropes?

    I thought they had new vertical turbine blade things that caught the wind from any direction and used it to turn the screws?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    True.
    Wow that's great, very funny! Where's that from? I googled some of it but no hits.
    Is that the new book of NZ sea stories and shipwrecks that's just come out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huck farley View Post
    Tests on a selection of modern motorbikes and private cars revealed that rather than being more environmentally-friendly, motorbikes emit 16 times the amount of hydrocarbons, including greenhouse gases, three times the carbon monoxide and a "disproportionately high" amount of other pollutants, compared to cars....... tests were carried out on a variety of Yamaha, Piaggio and Honda 50cc scooters and Suzuki, Honda and BMW motorbikes with engine sizes ranging from 800cc to 1150cc.
    Taken by them selves in isolation bikes are bad for the environment, and especially in town.

    But if you check out all the research you see they have compared it by cc on a pro rata basis – in other words take a 250 cc and it’s compared to a 1000cc car they will divide the 1000cc by 4 to give a comparison. They should compare it by HP or power delivery - 90 HP car engine with a 90 HP bike engine – then the test would show different results.

    If they want to compare in town/city pollution as they have done – then they should also do a time taken over same distance factor.
    Joe cage driver sitting in traffic with the engine idling for an extra hour, will eventually pollute more than Joe bike rider who has the ability to slip thru the traffic and be at his destination in less time – even if his bike pollutes more, it’s for a considerably less amount of time.
    The other factor is as a car gets older it’s rate of pollution increases at a higher rate to a bike ( and there’s a lot less old bikes in poor condition on the road than old cars); under inflated tyres can increase the pollution from a car radically, not really making a difference on a bike pollution wise. Then think about service time - other fluids that the car use in greater quantity like anti coolant, more oil to dispose of after an oil change – then build in the pollution factor of getting rid of a used car – larger batteries, more waste products to fill our land fills with.
    Cars are very rarely full on a trip – how many cars are driving around with just the driver in it – this reduces its environmental efficiency as well.
    So I would think the big picture presents the bike as more environmentally friendly over a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steam View Post
    Wow that's great, very funny! Where's that from? I googled some of it but no hits.
    Is that the new book of NZ sea stories and shipwrecks that's just come out?
    Not verbatum, but it's from Ross Norgrove's "Cruising Rigs and Rigging". Been out of print for fookin years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Seriously there is some interesting work going on using sailing ships with the rigging controlled by computers and winches (they could be powered by solar panels I guess). Eliminates the two big drawbacks of the sailing vessel, the need for lots of manpower and a great deal of skill.
    Have a look at any of the modern superyachts. A crew comprising of a handful of people and all of the sailwork done by computers and machinery.
    If they want to be "innovative" they turn off the electronics and do it the "old fashioned way".
    Billionaires do not want to have to haul on a hailyard though... dunno why?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    I can't remember whether it got as far as real life testing though
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    Way OT but how about this for a semi-wind-powered cargo ship:

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/19/k...il-in-january/
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