Fuck ass!!!

[quickbuck]

I hear what you're saying... But I am just not entirely sure that it's a given that an engine will run top-spec after a top-end rebuild. And my bike was running extremely well, except from the camchain...

I don't understand why not.

Shame about the "repair" though. Something had to of caused the chain to fail... and if it was broken in two places I doubt that it was a couple of faulty links that did it.

[skidMark]

if you need a head and piston and barrels etc you could buy bits off my one if you want i did in the crank shaft....

top end is fine though....

let me know if you want it....

[tri boy]

Hold on a second. First you say to the shop, "fix my cam chain tensioner, and cam chain. Next you mention your not too happy about them doing the valve clearances. And now you moaning about a mechanical failure.
Did you first take it to them, and let them diagnose the full fault?
Did you tell them that "in YOUR opinion the problem was the tensioner and chain"?
So they did what YOU asked them to do, and now you want instant compensation?
I would of told you f**k off, and sort the fault out yourself.
Let the mechanic's be mechanic's and diagnose the fault themselves.
If they have failed in their repair, then you have a case to argue, but I'm not totally convinced the total problem is their skills.
Would you tell an accountant, or surgeon how to do their job?
Good luck getting it sorted by new year. (it sounds more serious than a chain and tensioner).

[tri boy]

Faulty cam chain? My arse.

If you knew as much as you go on about, then you would know these things do happen. There are at least 4 different grades on chain available in NZ, and if it was a cheaper quality, then there is every chance of a link failure.
I have seen brand new Turbo's/Pistons, and even helical cut gears fail from brand new.

[Katman]

If you knew as much as you go on about, then you would know these things do happen. There are at least 4 different grades on chain available in NZ, and if it was a cheaper quality, then there is every chance of a link failure.
I have seen brand new Turbo's/Pistons, and even helical cut gears fail from brand new.

I'm perfectly aware that there is a wholesaler operating in NZ selling cheap Chinese final drive chains. Their selling point to me was "you can get this chain for $14 wholesale". I wouldn't touch the crap with a barge pole. And any shop who would use a low quality chain when replacing a camchain deserves all they get.

[Mikkel]

Hold on a second. First you say to the shop, "fix my cam chain tensioner, and cam chain. Next you mention your not too happy about them doing the valve clearances. And now you moaning about a mechanical failure.
Did you first take it to them, and let them diagnose the full fault?
Did you tell them that "in YOUR opinion the problem was the tensioner and chain"?
So they did what YOU asked them to do, and now you want instant compensation?
I would of told you f**k off, and sort the fault out yourself.
Let the mechanic's be mechanic's and diagnose the fault themselves.
If they have failed in their repair, then you have a case to argue, but I'm not totally convinced the total problem is their skills.
Would you tell an accountant, or surgeon how to do their job?
Good luck getting it sorted by new year. (it sounds more serious than a chain and tensioner).

No no, I had the problem diagnosed as being a camchain tensioner issue by someone who's held in very very high regard by all who've had him do work on their bikes. Unfortunately he was too busy to look at it until late january.
I then went to the Kawasaki dealership in Chch and had a chat to them about the issue and got them to order the genuine parts in. They said they would try and squeeze the job in before Christmas but couldn't guarantee it.
They went on to change each and every part of the camchain and tensioner assembly and I picked the bike up thursday.
Inside of driving 20 kms after picking the bike up from the workshop following this job it broke down.
I took the bike back to the workshop and the mechanic opened up the clutch cover and found that the camchain had broken two places and that damage had been caused to other parts of the camchain and tensioner system.
We have not yet opened the top-end and inspected the damage there - but from the nasty rattle of death I heard as my engine broke down I expect it to be substantial.

I wasn't complaining about them checking the valve clearances - I just asked if it was indeed necessary. I had them checked less than a month ago when I had a major service done.

As I said above - the bike was running beautifully before the repair, except from the camchain tensioner issue. I have a hard time seeing how the repair job would not be at least part of the cause of the failure...

But no, I wouldn't presume to tell a trained professional how to do his job. On the other hand - I doubt I would ever end up on a surgeons table without seeing a doctor and complaining about a health issue.
And if the surgeon in question made a mistake/malpractice I'd expect to be reimbursed in full... if not I'd most likely take the case to court.
Just like I wouldn't just accept getting done for taxfraud if I had hired a professional accountant to do my books (and hadn't told him to be creative).
And it's usually a bad practice to tell your customers to "fuck off" in any circumstance....

If you knew as much as you go on about, then you would know these things do happen. There are at least 4 different grades on chain available in NZ, and if it was a cheaper quality, then there is every chance of a link failure.
I have seen brand new Turbo's/Pistons, and even helical cut gears fail from brand new.

This should be a brand new genuine Kawasaki part - but I doubt that would be a guarantee against failure.

if you need a head and piston and barrels etc you could buy bits off my one if you want i did in the crank shaft....

top end is fine though....

let me know if you want it....

Thanks mate, I'll let you know if... I do expect the parts that have gone tits up to be replaced with brand new genuine parts though.

[skidMark]

Thanks mate, I'll let you know if... I do expect the parts that have gone tits up to be replaced with brand new genuine parts though.

Good luck with that LOL

my mate works for kawaskai nz...

even they cannot get pistons anymore.

you = screwed.

offers there still....

if ya feeling rich u can have my whole bike for 1k...will throw in both fucked engines.

one has fucked big end....one has fucked top end.

[Katman]

If you knew as much as you go on about, then you would know these things do happen. There are at least 4 different grades on chain available in NZ, and if it was a cheaper quality, then there is every chance of a link failure.
I have seen brand new Turbo's/Pistons, and even helical cut gears fail from brand new.

And I may be mistaken here but, isn't the camchain on the outside of the motor on a ZXR as opposed to between cylinders 2 and 3? If so, who in their right mind would split a brand new camchain when it is so easily accessible to fit as an endless chain?

[Mikkel]

And I may be mistaken here but, isn't the camchain on the outside of the motor on a ZXR as opposed to between cylinders 2 and 3? If so, who in their right mind would split a brand new camchain when it is so easily accessible to fit as an endless chain?

I've got a feeling that you might have to take the camshafts out (at the very least open the top-end) to get an endless chain in.

But yes, the camchain runs on the starboard side of the engine and most of the chain and tensioer assembly is accessible from inside the clutch cover.

It doesn't seem like you can open the bit between the top-end and the clutch cover to have easier access to the camchain...

[Mikkel]

I've come to realise that for some people the thread topic might hold promises that have not been fulfilled as of yet...

But if it's anal sex you're after I'm sure something as harmless and readily accessible as www.google.com will sort you out. Alternatively, you could try www.freeones.com seeing as they usually provide good quality without too much fuzz.

Sorry for being such a deceptive bastard...

[FilthyLuka]

even they cannot get pistons anymore.

you = screwed.

good for kawasaki

Talk to mr. Wiseco, them fools make pistons for EVERYTHING

[Mikkel]

good for kawasaki

Talk to mr. Wiseco, them fools make pistons for EVERYTHING

Yeah, I guess you should always be able to get new quality piston any size, it's just a matter of price...


I just had a chat to my uncle on the phone and he said that if they didn't change the camchain gears when they changed the camchain and if the gears were worn, that could have snapped the camchain... They didn't change the camchain gears that's for sure.

[Katman]

Yeah, I guess you should always be able to get new quality piston any size, it's just a matter of price...


I just had a chat to my uncle on the phone and he said that if they didn't change the camchain gears when they changed the camchain and if the gears were worn, that could have snapped the camchain... They didn't change the camchain gears that's for sure.

It would be highly unlikely that the cam gears are worn. It just doesn't happen. I still say there was no reason to split the chain to fit it. Pulling the camshafts out to fit the endless chain is a far safer option (and really doesn't add that much time to the job).

[Bren_chch]

Where is ur bike now?

[laRIKin]

It would be highly unlikely that the cam gears are worn. It just doesn't happen. I still say there was no reason to split the chain to fit it. Pulling the camshafts out to fit the endless chain is a far safer option (and really doesn't add that much time to the job).

I agree with the cam gears being OK.

But on some bikes you have to break the chain to get it to fit.
Unless you want to pull the whole motor apart.
Not sure about it on this bike.
Just so some people do not get the wrong idea that never have to break the chain.

And the bottom sprocket can be part of the crank and to change it, that would be a total motor dismantle and a new crank.
If it can be replaced it is still could be a total motor pull apart and maybe have to split the crank shaft as well, if the sprocket is in the middle of the crank shaft.

What I can not under stand is the chain breaking in TWO places.
Once it has broken once the load is off the chain so should not break in a second place.