So: are KB women bitches?

[jazbug5]

Or would you rather talk about the subject at hand (beer and H.H.G.)?
*click*
Your choice.

[Maha]

What is the subject?...Beer? Guns? Bitches?...
If we were all standing around drinking and someone walked in with a Gun now that would be a Bitch.

[jazbug5]

That was excellent, but you missed out the Hitchhiker's Guide. So, let's say, it would be a bitch if we were hanging out drinking beers and a Vogon walked in with a gun. Or... something?

[Steam]

That was excellent, but you missed out the Hitchhiker's Guide. So, let's say, it would be a bitch if we were hanging out drinking beers and a Vogon walked in with a gun. Or... something?

Vogons don't bring guns. They bring poetry... and those forced to listen all say later (during lucid moments in the hospital) that they wished the Vogon had brought a gun instead.

[jazbug5]

Oh, God. You had to mention the poetry!

[Mom]

So it would go something like this then in that case...

If we were all standing around reciting Poetry while Drinking and someone walked in with a Gun now that would be a Bitch.

[slowpoke]

Probably because for many of us we gained the respect of our fellow motorcycling males by being ourselves and genuinely interested in bikes and talking about them. We kinda had to fight the stereotype that you were either a butch lesbian if you rode, or that if you were a pretty thing then your place was on the back. I guess girls that come on here flaunting their tits and wanting a backseat ride just throw us back into the dark ages.

Hmmmm, kinda funny that no comment was made when threads were started by people wanting to talk about their favourite albums, guns, recipes, beer etc etc. not much to do with biking there, so why the recriminations regarding this womans motives? She seems genuinely interested in bikes and enthusiastic about participating.

Not having a go but trying to point out that you are swapping one of your previously mentioned stereotypes for another. I thought the whole idea of feminism was about removing stereotypes, that you could do or be anything that you want regardless of your sex. Are you saying even if a woman likes to cook she shouldn't be in the kitchen in case she drags women back to the dark ages? She shouldn't wear something that makes her feel attractive? She shouldn't stay at home with the kids even if she wants to? And now you are advocating that she shouldn't be on the back of a bike?

What is she (or anyone) supposed to do if they want to go motorcycling but (for whatever reason) they cannot actually take the controls themselves? Just stay schtum in case they offend someone?

C'mon people, we have all seen some shitty/vicious things said, done or advocated on this forum with nary a word of censure from most of us (classic "I don't want to get involved") and here we have an international visitor with nothing but good intentions and some of us can't resist having a dig. Jesus, all she's done is ask to sit on the back of someones bike.

Telling a woman not to act a certain way in what is ultimately a very small part of her life (who knows what she's like off KB) is just as restrictive and archaic as telling her to get back in the kitchen a cook those bloody eggs.

[Ms Piggy]

I guess what always gets my dander up is anyone (male or female) that does use their tits/arse or other body parts to influence how others may perceive them over and above others. Not pointing the finger and saying this is what the woman who is the topic of this thread is doing though, just adding my view to the discussion.

Anyway, here's my feminist rant:

In my experience as a woman if I walked around in a baggy t-shirt, baggy trousers and sloppy sandals, with no make-up on I could guarantee a lot of men may not give me much interest. But, if I wear a low cut top & tight jeans and tart myself up there is a lot more interest in me - I know this b/c at times I've deliberately 'dressed up' to get what/who I want or be noticed and other times just cos it feels good. Heck, most of us women have...haven't we?

Maybe the question is "why" and the answer to that could be any one of a million. E.g. 'I'm hot so why shouldn't I show off my killer cleavage'; 'I feel comfortable in these clothes'; 'I wanna let get laid'; 'I'm hot b/c it's a sunny day '; 'I love my body and I'm proud of it'; 'I know I look great' etc, etc, etc.

However, I'm a feminist and I do have an issue with any kind of media that portrays women as sexual objects - as a woman it's not as simple as looking the other way, changing the channel/station/site or not listening to that particular conversation. I really do struggle with the way some men will always view women as sexual objects first and a person 2nd. I have an issue with the fact that despite NZ having a lot of women in high paying/high powered jobs - women are still paid less than men. A prime example of the double standards that exist is the fact that a lot of blokes make comments on how unattractive Helen Clarke is but I don't believe I ever heard the same amount of comments about Don Brash (former Nats leader).

And the main reason I have an issue with all of this is b/c I wonder what sort of message all this is sending to the young women out there (including my 2 beautiful nieces) about how we get what we want as women.

Yep I definitely think we should live and let live but, I also think we all need to take responsibility for our actions and and consider others. At the end of the day there is no black or white answer to most things in life just a lot of grey in my view.

Cheers CSL

[PrincessBandit]

Hmmmm, kinda funny .....

Not having a go but trying to point out that you are swapping one of your previously mentioned stereotypes for another....

What is she (or anyone) supposed to do if they want to go motorcycling but (for whatever reason) they cannot actually take the controls themselves? Just stay schtum in case they offend someone?

C'mon people, we have all seen some shitty/vicious things said, done or advocated on this forum with nary a word of censure from most of us (classic "I don't want to get involved") and here we have an international visitor with nothing but good intentions and some of us can't resist having a dig. Jesus, all she's done is ask to sit on the back of someones bike.

Telling a woman not to act a certain way in what is ultimately a very small part of her life (who knows what she's like off KB) is just as restrictive and archaic as telling her to get back in the kitchen a cook those bloody eggs.

Hear hear thank you slowpoke, . Well said.

[Ixion]

. A prime example of the double standards that exist is the fact that a lot of blokes make comments on how unattractive Helen Clarke is but I don't believe I ever heard the same amount of comments about Don Brash (former Nats leader).

Not entirely true. I've heard plenty of old biddies going gaga over Winston Peters because of his looks, and I'm sure that it didn't do his voting any harm. And on the other coin, I've heard a lot of women slagging off Gerry Brownlee because of how he looks.

Interestingly, you compared Helen Clarke with Don Brash, not John Key. Perhaps because you find Don Brash unattractive? And John key not so. In which case you would be doing exactly that which you condemn.

[Ms Piggy]

Not entirely true. I've heard plenty of old biddies going gaga over Winston Peters because of his looks, and I'm sure that it didn't do his voting any harm. And on the other coin, I've heard a lot of women slagging off Gerry Brownlee because of how he looks.

Interestingly, you compared Helen Clarke with Don Brash, not John Key. Perhaps because you find Don Brash unattractive? And John key not so. In which case you would be doing exactly that which you condemn.

Ah - good point. Yeah I do find DB unattractive (but on sooooo many levels) and I was looking for a comparison, b/c I am the 1st to agree HC isn't a complete stunner, I guess I was just trying to come up with a realistic comparison. In fact I'm confident that part of the reason John Key is the new Nat Leader is b/c he is (among other things) much nicer to look at than DB ever was. All shades of grey though.

Edit: Originally Ixion I was going to compare Helen Clarke to Donald Trump but I thought a more realistic comparison is HC & DB.

[Riff Raff]

, so why the recriminations regarding this womans motives? She seems genuinely interested in bikes and enthusiastic about participating.

Which woman is that? I was making a generalised comment regarding women who come on KB for the sole purpose of flashing their tits etc to get a ride and why that annoys us girls on here.

[skidMark]

Serious question, or at least a subject that deserves some serious debate. (Ah.. who am I kidding this is KB!)

Been thinking about this over the last few days; while a certain 'nympho' was making her debut on KB, a similar drama was playing out on another UK forum I occasionally frequent. There, a girl posted a stream of pictures she had taken of herself in fairly provocative, revealing poses, got a lot of attention and then was then joined by another girl who wanted everyone to know that she was a hobby pole dancer, and possibly interested in some girl-on-girl action.

and the link to said thread please?

[Mully]

and the link to said thread please?

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Mark.

Please

[slowpoke]

Which woman is that? I was making a generalised comment regarding women who come on KB for the sole purpose of flashing their tits etc to get a ride and why that annoys us girls on here.

The original post targeted a specific individual, using an abbreviated version of her pseudonym. As for flashing their tits I have yet to see any KB members rack.....apart from the maginificent set that your beloved displayed in that photo.

You are an attractive woman RR so I can kinda (if I hold my head to the side cover one eye and squint the other) see how you might feel that others are eroding the respect that you have built up......but ultimately we are each portrayed by our own actions and these should in no way reflect on others.

I mean if some motorcyclist chooses to stunt down the freeway in rush hour and is then held in general contempt that doesn't mean that you are also held in contempt because you are also a motorcyclist. Some members of the general public choose to make gross these generalisations and lump us all together and we in the general motorcycling community bloody hate it don't we? Seems a shame to then do the same thing to other individuals who are having a bit of fun at no ones expense.

Their are no rules here, everybody's idea of what KB is or isn't for is different. Some just wanna stir shit, others have serious discussions, others get something off their chest, or make friends, or share recipes/music etc etc. So if you have a general (or even a vague) interest in bikes and want to meet a potential partner with a similar interest why wouldn't/shouldn't you come on here.....there's a lot better chance of success than bumping into shopping trolleys down at the supermarket. Sure, the flirting runs the range from cringeworthy to smoother than olive oil icecream but (and as with motorcycling in general) what is a stylie approach in one person's book could be the opposite in anothers.

As I said, I in no way mean to have a go at you, I just think you are unnecessarily worried that the actions of any individual could reflect badly on your good self.