Speed Camera - Oh Shit!

[EnzoYug]

i'm sorry can you see whose driving?

could be anybody...hes got a helmet on.....
it aint me....
honest.
and thus u save urself 230 bucks

It sucks but according the the police infringement bureau (or whatever it's called) as the registered owner of the vehicle you're responsible for proving who the driver/rider is otherwise YOU pay the fine. I know I've had TWO tickets within two weeks of each other.

Guilty until proven innocent. Sucks eh?

[madbikeboy]

It sucks but according the the police infringement bureau (or whatever it's called) as the registered owner of the vehicle you're responsible for proving who the driver/rider is otherwise YOU pay the fine. I know I've had TWO tickets within two weeks of each other.

Guilty until proven innocent. Sucks eh?

It's a logical rule, whoever owns a vehicle should have control of it, and unless they can name who was riding (assuming the bike didn't go for a little jaunt all by itself), then the registered owner is liable.

[EnzoYug]

Yeah well - I'm not arguing with it. You get snapped, you try get out of the fine as best you can - you fail - you pay.

(or you don't pay and add it on to your student loan)

I don't let anyone ride my bike but me, and my brother. There's almost no-one I trust enough to hand of the keys to. So yeah - cage or bike - it's a fair assumption to say that if the car wasn't stolen, you should know the person who got the fine - take it up with them.

[madbikeboy]

yeah, only one Ive had in 28 years of driving sneaked in the mail to me (about a year ago) and I had no idea i'd been snapped. I kinda figured that in all those years, and with the other occasions i know i've been snapped (evidenced by the lovely big nighttime flash - no, not by me...) that i just consider myself lucky it's all i've had. So, good on you for taking so long.
ps is it possible to scratch your arse on a bike at 109kph?

I'm far too gentlemanly to actually scratch my ass in public. To be really honest, when I first opened it I thought it read 190... My jaw dropped, I had that awful feeling in my stomach, then I re-read it and realised it was 109 km/h. Happiness in comparison.

I've been trying to compose the letter which I'll attach for the photo request.
"dear sir/madam,

would you be kind enough to send me a copy of the photo - is it possible to get larger sizes, perhaps posters - I'd like to display the photo in a frame next to my Masters Degree and photo of me butt naked, drunk on the floor. Also, can you place one of your mobile cameras on state highway 16, perhaps near that tight bend that leads to that big sweeper, it's just that I'd love to have a photo of me doing a wheelstand as I accelerate...

Kind regards, Madbikeboy"

Whatdoyareckon???

[madbikeboy]

Yeah well - I'm not arguing with it. You get snapped, you try get out of the fine as best you can - you fail - you pay.

(or you don't pay and add it on to your student loan)

I don't let anyone ride my bike but me, and my brother. There's almost no-one I trust enough to hand of the keys to. So yeah - cage or bike - it's a fair assumption to say that if the car wasn't stolen, you should know the person who got the fine - take it up with them.

I don't share bikes or girlfriends... Everyone stays friends longer...

A lot of the law comes from old fashioned English common law, and it kind of makes sense. For example, RUC (diesel) charges are levied based on the weight, and the damage the vehicle makes to the road (larger vehicle, more damage, more cost). The principle comes from old horse drawn carts. Did you know that we drive on the left hand side of the road because of horses? In days of old when knights were bold, knights would pass other knights with their sword hand uncovered - usually their right - so we still pass on the left based on that. Did you know that a lane is two horse widths wide?

Perhaps this is the reason I don't get laid so much... At least I'm useful at pub quizzes...

[slopster]

Interesting thought on speed cameras.

So that would imply that speed cameras will become less useful as a police tool, and we may see less of them ? Actually I don't very often see them at all nowdays. And all the fixed ones seem to be broken.

Or will the police use that as an excuse to claim that speed cameras have to have demerits ?

I've seen heaps of them on SH2 lately. Went from Auck to Tauranga and back last week and saw 8 of them. Even saw 2 of them about 500m apart. Saw a few of them on my way to Welly and back the other day also.

[Forest]

I don't share bikes or girlfriends... Everyone stays friends longer...

A lot of the law comes from old fashioned English common law, and it kind of makes sense. For example, RUC (diesel) charges are levied based on the weight, and the damage the vehicle makes to the road (larger vehicle, more damage, more cost). The principle comes from old horse drawn carts. Did you know that we drive on the left hand side of the road because of horses? In days of old when knights were bold, knights would pass other knights with their sword hand uncovered - usually their right - so we still pass on the left based on that. Did you know that a lane is two horse widths wide?

Perhaps this is the reason I don't get laid so much... At least I'm useful at pub quizzes...

I heard that RUC are levied because the National Party was too weak to stand up to the farming lobby (who use Diesel for their farm equipment and therefore didn't want to pay a road-related taxes on their farming related fuel consumption).

[Jantar]

...the farming lobby (who use Diesel for their farm equipment and therefore didn't want to pay a road-related taxes on their farming related fuel consumption).

And the problem there is? I don't understand why road taxes should be levied on machinery that is never destined to be on the road.

[Daffyd]

And the problem there is? I don't understand why road taxes should be levied on machinery that is never destined to be on the road.

What about the contractors who crawl along country roads with balers, utes, etc in tow at 20km/h? They should be paying road tax. they're a bloody menace. I caught up with one that pulled on to the road just ahead of me and got showered with mud off the wheels. Bloody near smashed my screen.
Luckily I was in the cage, on the bike I'd prolly have had my head taken off.

[sAsLEX]

What about the contractors who crawl along country roads with balers, utes, etc in tow at 20km/h? They should be paying road tax. they're a bloody menace. I caught up with one that pulled on to the road just ahead of me and got showered with mud off the wheels. Bloody near smashed my screen.
Luckily I was in the cage, on the bike I'd prolly have had my head taken off.

So you saw the hazard and didn't react? They travel small distances on the road and are the basis for our economy HTFU.

[xwhatsit]

i still dont get how you got snapped on a bike cause the camera would have to be on the other side and cant fiquire it getting a good view of plates over the barriers?the 80kmh limit is permanent and goes right through until the newmarket overbridge

Easy. The camera on the other side of the road was pointed towards traffic coming towards it on its side of the road. So it sees your numberplate after you've gone past it.

I'm talking about going North over the Harbour Bridge. Used to hit 100kph not too long after `landing'.

[more_fasterer]

i still dont get how you got snapped on a bike cause the camera would have to be on the other side and cant fiquire it getting a good view of plates over the barriers?the 80kmh limit is permanent and goes right through until the newmarket overbridge

I saw the camera van in a sneaky new location the other day, going southbound on the harbour bridge approach it was located in the median by the elephant house, with the nose of the van facing the traffic. So it would photograph only southbound traffic, from the rear.

Bastards.

[slopster]

It sucks but according the the police infringement bureau (or whatever it's called) as the registered owner of the vehicle you're responsible for proving who the driver/rider is otherwise YOU pay the fine. I know I've had TWO tickets within two weeks of each other.

Guilty until proven innocent. Sucks eh?

No thats wrong if you look on the back of the notice it says you have a complete defence if:
You gave the enforcement authority a statutory declaration-
Establishing that you could not identify the driver after taking all reasonable steps to do so.

You could probably say that you were going for a ride that day with ten of your mates, provide all their names, and say that you changed bikes at every pub and you dont know who was riding at the time. And tell them all to back that story up but say they weren't speeding.

Probably wouldn't be worth the effort though!

[Daffyd]

So you saw the hazard and didn't react? They travel small distances on the road and are the basis for our economy HTFU.

I saw the hazard and DID react. If I hadn't, I would have been spread all over the back of the ute in tow. The bastard deliberately pulled out in front of me!
So you are saying because they are the basis of our economy that they can ignore all road rules and common sense and ride roughshod over smaller vehicles? I disagree.

[madbikeboy]

I saw the hazard and DID react. If I hadn't, I would have been spread all over the back of the ute in tow. The bastard deliberately pulled out in front of me!
So you are saying because they are the basis of our economy that they can ignore all road rules and common sense and ride roughshod over smaller vehicles? I disagree.

Farmers and the ecomony - did you know that agriculture is responsible for 49% of our CO2 emissions, and yet they escape being taxed for some years (2013?), whereas our humble petrol bills will increase by 5 cents a litre almost immediately. Life is so hard for our farmers, large payouts from Fonterra, subsidies, protectionism - shit, they'll be hard done by next year, might have to settle for the Facon Ghia instead of the usual new fairmont...