Suicide stories

[Big Dog]

You know a lot people are saying you need to support someone who is going through the motions.

And what does someone who is alone do? There are people who live alone, with either no family or rather aged parents, and with a limited capacity to spend time with friends as their friends all have kids and family that take all their time? Who do they go to for help?


Yikes, I've started a long thread.

There have been times when I have never felt so crowded when only in my own company, nor so alone as when I have been with thousands of like minded individuals.

I have lived on my own and had plenty of company.
Lived with 6 others and had no company.

It is not the numbers it is how genuine the participants are.

There are some people on here I feel a lift in my spirits just because they posted in a thread I am reading.

If you are talking about a friend. Drop by without motive. Share something you both enjoy, a nice meal, a DVD, a game of scrabble.

If you are talking about yourself... that gets a bit harder.
You can look for your self.
You can look for a friend.
Who says your friends with kids are not dying for some adult company?
Who says your friends with kids are not dying for a bullshit session?
Who says your friends are not dying to have a night out together? Could you baby sit for them? Would you feel better about yourself if you could make their day a little brighter?

There sure is something rejuvenating about spending some time with someone else's kids (you can give them back when they are all wound up).

If you feel alone make a decision to make someone else's day special.
If you or your mate have no friends make the day of a stranger.

I am not talking buy a stranger a car. I mean when the lady in front of you is struggling with three kids, two shopping carts, a screaming baby and a purse that will not cooperate, smile back instead of giving her a withering look. Try to entertain the baby.
When you see a "little old lady" struggling with her groceries offer to help her.

Practice random acts of kindness and our world becomes a better place.

[imdying]

Remember: With life there is hope.

With death you've lost all hope.

But in death, hope is no longer required.

[Number One]

Indeed, it would be boring if we all knew everything and everyone was right all the time!

Too bad too few embraces the diversity and shy away from the unknown!

So true...reminds me of a saying
"If both of us agree on everything, one of us is not needed"

[Conquiztador]

But in death, hope is no longer required.

And you know this how?

[scumdog]

But in death, hope is no longer required.

And neither is riding your bike on a beautiful day over a good road..or sharing humour with a friend....or the satisfaction of fixing your own bike...or a friend from waay back suddenly dropping in after a long absence..or seeing your kids doing well at sports/school...or seeing an awsome sun-set over spectacular scenery.....etc etc

Yup, death sure fixes a lot of 'problems' .

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

But in death, hope is no longer required.

All I know is that suicide causes more problems, pain and greif, as well as possible thoughts of a chain reaction of commiting suicide themself to family and friends. Leaves them empty and woundering why, how they missed it and could have helped...

In death hope is required...

[Conquiztador]

A story. A factual one:

I had a childhood friend. He used to turn up on our doorstep at 6am in the summer and just sit there waiting for me to wake up so that I would come and fish with him. We were 6 yo.

We stayed friends and went to same schools. He was a big guy. Strong and scary for many. But he was really a gentle giant. He had a brother. And a mother and father who lived in same house. But even at an young age I could sense that all was not well between them. He liked to spend time at our place. I only had a mother at home, my father was at sea.

At 15 he changed. He pulled away from school. He would sit outside school and hold a one man protest about something he was passionate about. I started to loose contact with him. I was now in to my motorbikes and girls. But these were not his interests. We would still talk, but we were on different levels.

At 16 he had found him self an old house close to the city dump. There he lived without power together with his cat. He played guitar, wrote songs. And poetry. His poetry was about how he did see the world. Unjustice, unfair treatment, ppl who did not care.

I would ride my bike to see him at times. But not often. Once, when I had got my self a car, I visited with 3 other friends that he also knew, but who had not been close to him. We chatted, but I felt uncomfortable, like I had taken them to see an animal at the zoo. So we left soon. He asked me to come for another visit, alone, soon. I promised to do so. But I got busy...

4 weeks later he had hanged him self. But first he strangled his cat.

After his death his poems were publicised. And his book became a top seller in the community. I have read the poems many times. None of them talk about suicide. But there is a clear "I am not part of this society" in them.

Could I have made a difference if I had visited and spent time with him? I will never know. But if I had a second chance I would try!!

This changed who I am. Today I give it a try.

A lady I know had stopped by the roadside in her car. I went past, when I came back she was still there. I stopped my car and went to see if all was OK. She got a freight, she was deep in thoughts. She assured all was OK. As she lived close by I started to pop in to just say hi and have chats. Not sure if I made any difference. But if she had tried something and I had not done what I did, then I would always have thought: "Wonder if I could have made a difference".

[imdying]

And you know this how?

Well you're either saved, or you're off to hell, neither of those places requires hope... of course, commit suicide, and you're going to hell anyway...

[Conquiztador]

Well you're either saved, or you're off to hell, neither of those places requires hope... of course, commit suicide, and you're going to hell anyway...

Assumptions. There might be nothing after this. There might be something with more rules and harder to get to "the next level". A little like a computer game. Nobody knows. But if it is much harder and what you did in this life will count, should you not try to make sure that you do the best you can so that, if that would be the case, you have a good starting platform??

[Hitcher]

Well you're either saved, or you're off to hell, neither of those places requires hope... of course, commit suicide, and you're going to hell anyway...

This sort of religious dogma also adds no value to a sensible discussion on suicide.

Suicide has always existed and always will. It is an unfortunate but real part of the human condition. Indeed it could even be categorised as "normal".

While suicide may be hard to understand or rationalise by those of comparatively sound mind, that does not make it wrong or even evil. Attempts by various religions to condemn suicide as a mortal sin or some other heinous form of endeavour have not succeeded in eliminating this practice. Indeed condemning the "soul" of successful suiciders to eternal damnation or other forms of criminalisation only ever make criminals of or contribute to the emotional baggage heaped upon the families and friends of the suicider.

Suiciders deserve respect in death, despite the consequences of their actions on those who survive them. They had reasons and justification for the action that they took that made sense to them, even though they may have been unaware of the severity of its impacts. Their survivors deserve love and support.

The sooner we (as a community) can take an enlightened and informed approach to suicide, the sooner we will be able to better deal with it and its always tragic consequences.

[Mom]

I mean when the lady in front of you is struggling with three kids, two shopping carts, a screaming baby and a purse that will not cooperate, smile back instead of giving her a withering look. Try to entertain the baby.
When you see a "little old lady" struggling with her groceries offer to help her.

Practice random acts of kindness and our world becomes a better place.

Nice!

I did exactly that yesterday, poor Mom with 3 kids, the little baby had been wailing non-stop while she did her groceries. I happened to be parked close to her car, when I went to take my trolley back to the trolley bay I stopped and talked to her. She told me the baby was just simply "pissed off" and spent a lot of his day yelling for no good reason. So I talked to this 3 month old baby while she unloaded her shopping into the car and got the other 2 kids in seats etc. Baby stopped crying, and started smiling, she got her job done with a bit less stress, and I got baby smiles

Bit further down the road, little old lady complete with zimmer frame, wobbling along starts to cross the road. Yikes!!!! I went and escorted her across, our town is extremely busy at this time of the year, driving is like dodgems, she did not stand a chance!

Makes you feel good inside when you have an opportunity to help someone without being asked.

[imdying]

This sort of religious dogma also adds no value to a sensible discussion on suicide.

That's your opinion of course... another opinion is that it's the most important thing to remember about suicide :shrug:

[vifferman]

There have been times when I have never felt so crowded when only in my own company, nor so alone as when I have been with thousands of like minded individuals.

I have lived on my own and had plenty of company.
Lived with 6 others and had no company.

I sometimes find myself feeling much lonelier when in a crowd (even of people I know) than on my own. I tend to avoid social gatherings for that reason (and because I invariably end up feeling like a dork).

[Hitcher]

That's your opinion of course... another opinion is that it's the most important thing to remember about suicide

Being condemned to "eternal damnation" or equivalent is the most important thing about suicide? Are you serious?

And this "penalty" discourages suiciders how? I am certain that that is the last thing on their minds at their moment of truth.

What you are advocating is revenge for the living. A similar proposition to advocating a death penalty for murder. Neither outcome provides any disincentive for the acts in question.

[yungatart]

I'm off to a funeral tomorrow.
37 yo mum of 5, ranging in age from 18 down to 8, committed suicide on Saturday.
I don't know how she did it and I don't much care.
It is all too sad!

The weather was grey and dismal, raining at times.
Her poor children were sitting around their mum's coffin, the 8 y/o sobbing his heart out, the 13 y/o twin girls looking vacant and empty, the 16 y/o confused and hurt and knowing that she is to become a "mum" to her little siblings and her 18 y/o trying so hard to be a man and hold it all together.
Would I change it if I could? Hell yes!
Can I? Not for this family, and I suspect not for a lot of others either.
Will that stop me from trying? Never!
Young children should not have to bury their parents, elderly parents should not have to bury their children.
I am truly saddened at the loss of a lovely lady. RIP V