Other bikers you want to "knock" sense into

[Steam]

What are these "man eggs" of which you speak?

Hmm?
Manoeuvre - a deliberate coordinated movement requiring dexterity and skill; "he made a great maneuver."
I suppose it's American spelling.

Even Man and Oeuvre would be "Male human" and "oeuvre" - the total output of a writer or artist (or a substantial part of it).

Wot's eggs got to do with it?

[Swoop]

If I may ponder a question?

In summer the temperature increases, people wear less clothing and the threads about "lack of gear" increase on KB.

Why then, doesn't the opposite happen?

Wintertime threads about bikers wearing too much gear?

[RDJ]

If I may ponder a question?

In summer the temperature increases, people wear less clothing and the threads about "lack of gear" increase on KB.

Why then, doesn't the opposite happen?

Wintertime threads about bikers wearing too much gear?

Gots your too much gear right here!

http://www.idsland.com/q_prod.php?prj=51&img=271

[discotex]

Just wait till next year when he is 17 and on a CBR600 or something!

WTF? You only meet the nicest people on Honda's

[discotex]

in Sydney ... The chicks wear the shortest of shorts.

That's the REAL reason why so many kiwi's are moving to Aussie.

As for people not wearing gear. I cringe personally as I like my skin, hands, feet, etc.

But, if we as a nation think it's ok to drain ACC playing rugby without bubble wrap in winter I can't see why us bikers can't get some of those ACC funds back through road rash etc. Can't have my extra rego going into the general fund now can I!

[scracha]

Do you want a stupid answer to your stupid question?

Cripes you're aggressive. You're not from Glasgow are you?

Perhaps you just need reminding that the scenario put forward concerns a

I was putting forward my own scenario that was related to your comment

If they were my kids, What they were wearing would still would be none of your business.

If I saw a 15/16 year old kid riding like a dick, wearing very little safety gear then I would feel obliged to have a quick word in their ear. Sure, it'd probably go in one ear and out the other and maybe they'd tell me to fuck off but at the end of the day, when they lose skin on their next crash then at least they couldn't say nobody had warned them.

(presumably) licensed rider wearing what he is legally required to. Not an adult putting a child in danger.

Point taken. I agree, if an adult wants to go out with safety gear comprising a Bell helmet from 1980 bought on Trademe then that's their choice. There's a bit of a gray area with uninformed teenagers thinking they're bulletproof though.

In the basic training course (I presume there is some sort of training before they're let out on the roads) in NZ do they get educated on the importance of safety gear, shown photos of injuries and told the wear rates of denim, leather etc?

[gijoe1313]

And there was this one time, on a ride, when I waved to a guy on a sprotsbike and his mate on a cruisier and I didn't get one back! OMG ... I was like, like ... we need a special wave to show that we acknowledge one another as bikers!

Also, what is the calorific properties of normal and premium fuel? And are Honduh riders ghey? What does gargre mean?

[Headbanger]

Cripes you're aggressive. You're not from Glasgow are you?

Wanganui.

But, I bet that would have been your second guess.

I was on a roll.....

[fireball]

and you're right, the main point of that post it that those kids nearly took out a 3rd biker. i would've given them an earful, but mainly about their riding with only a brief mention about the gear

thank you for seeing my point... yes a little of it is about their gear but the main point is about what they were doing on the road.. acting like tossers, and yes causing danger to another rider being me who was just minding my own business heading home from work.
they can go get road rash hit a car get killed due to lack of gear its their funeral not mine.


i wanted to smack sense into them to use some common sense maybe some situational awareness to realize one day they could kill someone else or themselves with their actions.

[James Deuce]

Waste of time. Look after your own riding. Stop wasting energy on others when it could be spent on yourself. There is NOTHING you can do to change their attitude.

[Drew]

WICKED, another "holier than thou" thread. I do the right thing, none of you do, I want to bang sense into the whole world.

Harden the fuck up. Personal choice and all that, blah blah blah.

[swbarnett]

i dont care that im hot in my gear id rather spend that half hour ride home, hot knowing that if i come off at least im safer...

I would rather not come off at all. For most riders I'd agree with you but there are some of us that suffer from heat exaustion quite easily. In hot weather I wear helmet, jacket, gloves, boots and jeans. If I wear anything more on my legs I get hot to the point where I can't concentrate on my riding and ocassionally to the point of almost passing out. Even doing up my jacket fully around town can be dangerous on particularly hot days.

I don't think this was the issue in this case though. Either it's because they think they're bulletproof (probably due to being over-protected at a younger age) as you say or they have at least one adult role model that they're simply mimicking.

[motorbyclist]

In the basic training course (I presume there is some sort of training before they're let out on the roads) in NZ do they get educated on the importance of safety gear, shown photos of injuries and told the wear rates of denim, leather etc?

no basic training course at all. all you have to do is get a "basic motorcycling skills certificate" where you simply weave some cones, change gear and do an emergency stop, then go do the multi-choice theory test where the only mention of safety gear is that of a helmet (with one of the 4 answers being a cheeky one)

all up it costs around $80, and a 15 year old who's had all of one hour riding experience in a carpark can ride an rg250 between 5am and 10pm under 70kph and displaying an L plate wearing nothing but his undies and an open helmet from the 80's bought on trademe

plenty of courses available, including the defensive driving/riding course($200?) which cuts the restricted period from 18 to 12 months, but alot of kids won't do 'em - especially the ones that need to

Even doing up my jacket fully around town can be dangerous on particularly hot days.

on warm days i also unzip my jacket up to half open.... reckon that's a serious problem at 50kph or lower?

[James Deuce]

I would rather not come off at all. For most riders I'd agree with you but there are some of us that suffer from heat exaustion quite easily. In hot weather I wear helmet, jacket, gloves, boots and jeans. If I wear anything more on my legs I get hot to the point where I can't concentrate on my riding and ocassionally to the point of almost passing out. Even doing up my jacket fully around town can be dangerous on particularly hot days.

I have a neurological condition (thanks to a bike accident) that makes me sweat like a pig. Heat stroke leads to migraine which leads to 24 hours in bed unable to anything.

I have a couple of simple hints for you.

Stop more often

Drink more water.

Don't drink coffee, don't drink sugary drinks, both those things dehydrate you.

[swbarnett]

I have a neurological condition (thanks to a bike accident) that makes me sweat like a pig. Heat stroke leads to migraine which leads to 24 hours in bed unable to anything.

Ouch, thankfully my issues aren't nearly that bad. I used to get migraines now and then so I can sympathise.

Thanks for the suggestions but they're nothing I haven't already tried. For now I'm comfortable with jeans. I have come off in them many years ago at about 60kph with no leg damage at all. When money allows I am planning to look into a pair or two of draggins.

Stop more often

Unfortunately the more I stop the hotter I get (at least on the open road).

Drink more water.

I have tried this. This doesn't help as the problem is not dehydration but overheating.

Don't drink coffee, don't drink sugary drinks, both those things dehydrate you.

Don't drink coffee at all (can't stand the stuff). Did drink a lot of Coke but I've been quite light on it lately. Even on days (several in a row) of the hottest weather with no Coke (or any other sugar laden drink - including fruit juice) I still have a problem. On these days even when lazing around home in nothing but a pair of drawers every movement becomes an effort. It's actually better on the bike if I can get a breeze going - hence only jeans, the legs make pretty good radiators.