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    Opinion - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250 vs The Rest

    Before i start i'm not saying go get yourself a CBR250/ZXR250, because truth is they are an old bike and i would be biast to go on and praise them when i am just pointing out the facts here and using the ZXR and CBR as a base reference point, seeing as i know a shitload more about ZXR's than i do CBR's i will mention the ZXR250 alot more throughout this.

    I do also know my way around a CBR though, take from this what you will i will hopefully assist people out to buy a new bike in thier decision making.

    What i have come down to is comparing the new 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250 up against the hyosung GT250R as in reality these are the only 2 new fairinged bikes on the market.

    I am not going to sit here and run specifications off at you all day because fact is these are all over the net and who gives a toss about most of that info anyway, if ya do good on ya goto the website and get them.



    The ZXR250/CBR250 etc are sportsbikes, they are a proper thrash on a racetrack and open road go balls to the wall sportsbike, just with a smaller engine than the big toys. clip on handle bars, twin floating brake discs etc etc.


    The GPX/Ninja....(it's the same bike just with pretty panels and some changes,same suspension riding position high up bars instead of "clip-on's", just admit it)

    • single disc brakes.....
    • crappy forks...

    I mean cmon...they arnt even upside down forks (USD's for short), the ZXR has the ZXR250, where as the origional CBR250 did not. and ive ridden a few CBR250's's and they are rubbish suspension wise in comparison to the ZXR250.


    Yes i know blah blah ZXR250 and CBR250 are old blah blah i'm not saying go buy a ZXR250 or CBR250 if u want a new bike go hard it's up to you, a to be honest not quite up to scratch in my eyes. Hyosung GT250R is better than a GPX/Ninja 250 anyways.

    where as the GT250R has....

    USD forks, twin floating brake disc etc etc, has everything the zxr does just with shittier build quality and a gutless V-Twin powerplant. To be honest the build qulity is still not there though, they have a bit of a feeling of cheapness on these korean Hyosungs.

    The Hyosung GT250R was infact origionally designed by Kawasaki but for some reason the plans were sold.



    If you want proper power in a 4 stroke go the ZXR250 or the CBR250 (CBR handles like a shopping trolley though) this is if age of the bike is not an issue.

    For many buyers it is, and i can respect that.

    They would still be making the ZXR and CBR to this day, except new restrictions came into place in 1993 i believe, i am not sure why though i think to do with power restrictions for japanese learner riders but don't quote me on that, anyways they don't make em. Lets close that chapter and keep going.

    Fact is the ZXR250 and CBR250 do hold thier value very well. and are actually still going up in value like crazy, but in this a problem arises of now they are getting very near in some cases matching or even above that of a brand new Hyosung GT250R or Ninja 250. the problem with this is eventually the shit is going to hit the fan.

    People will stop buying the older 250's for silly money (this has become very apparent in the last year or so), many now opt for the new toy with warrenty where as in 2005/2006 the zxr's were cheap enough that people did not mind, also in this there was really nothing as a new 250 apart from the Suzuki GN250.

    A bike that has been made since the 80's but now gets made in china. with fake chrome so shit, that they take them out of the box and they are already rusty.

    Anyways so the release of the GT250R and re launch of the GPX250 made sales of zxr's and cbr's fall quicker than ya boner when ya find out the chick you brought home from the pub isn't a chick after all. (unless your a honda rider then this adds to the hardness)

    and these values i think are really going to drop like a rock soon because people will simply stop buying the older zxr's etc.

    but in saying this you put it up for sale, somebody will buy it eventually with more bank balance than brains.


    If you want warrenty and new bike and ooo ahh pretty then go new bike,

    I personally say go the Hyosung GT250R, it's the only fairinged "proper" 250cc sportsbike on the market.

    If you want to simply pull girls that think because it says ninja it's really fast! and just north shore sure to score girls. then go the new ninja 250. fact is the new ninja 250 is a sports styled commuter.


    It's the equivelent of a Suzuki GN250 with fairings...

    Sorry i lie a Suzuki GN250 with moto-x bars actually corners better.

    So in summary there are two main players on the market of new 250's.
    # Theres the hyosung which is a proper sports bike. good for commuting, but can hold it's own on the open road also. and with the low profile tyres and so on you have alot more choice in the sticky stuff that keeps ya shiney side up.

    # Then there is the better looking 2008 ninja 250, which is a sports styled commuting bike, which in reality on the open road is horrible ive ridden 2007 gpx's on the open road and riddens with friends who have them. they are just not an open road go fast get knee down bike. the tyres on them arn't even a low profile, which these days limits you alot. you are scared to hang off and try get knee down where as the Hyosung GT250R you can hang off and get knee down and so on, and the bike remains very stable.


    Hope that helps in some new riders decision making.

    skidMark.

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    Jeez man why don't we wait unitl it gets released here and then see what the 2008 ninja250r is like. A lot of the time manufacturers have kep the specifications of the motorcycle the same albeit slightly tweaked and come out with a completely different monster. For one the kawa will be smaller and nimbler etc blah blah it's all just speculation. When it's released why don't you test ride them both and then write a head to head, until then lets just say that the green machine has gone and at least made an already reliable bike, reliable and sexy. *learners don't always need a fucking pocket rocket, as a learner i'd rather get the skills right and get a pocket rocket when i get my full*

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    P.S The kawa would still be me pre emptive choice, but then i just love kawasakis.

    P.P.S The kawa is officially being marketed here now, Mr Motorcycles on trademe has one, R.R.P $6995 +ORC...TAKE THAT HYOSUNG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drider87 View Post
    Jeez man why don't we wait unitl it gets released here and then see what the 2008 ninja250r is like. A lot of the time manufacturers have kep the specifications of the motorcycle the same albeit slightly tweaked and come out with a completely different monster. For one the kawa will be smaller and nimbler etc blah blah it's all just speculation. When it's released why don't you test ride them both and then write a head to head, until then lets just say that the green machine has gone and at least made an already reliable bike, reliable and sexy. *learners don't always need a fucking pocket rocket, as a learner i'd rather get the skills right and get a pocket rocket when i get my full*

    Drider

    P.S The kawa would still be me pre emptive choice, but then i just love kawasakis.

    already know exactly what it will be like.

    it's a gpx with pretty panels....same front end same triple clamps same bars...same discs with some petals cut in them....same engine.......same header pipes....ze list goes on.

    and i don't agree with you on that sorry learner riders need open road experiace too...round town all you learn is dodging idiots in cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drider87 View Post
    P.P.S The kawa is officially being marketed here now, Mr Motorcycles on trademe has one, R.R.P $6995 +ORC...TAKE THAT HYOSUNG!

    lol dude yer um i saw that before i did this write up.

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    Lol Go test ride one! All i'm saying is don't judge the book by it's beautiful cover.....until i've managed to get a go on one or read some definitive ride reports by KB members or something then i will make up my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drider87 View Post
    Lol Go test ride one! All i'm saying is don't judge the book by it's beautiful cover.....until i've managed to get a go on one or read some definitive ride reports by KB members or something then i will make up my mind.

    ive ridden an 07 gpx 250 ...same as 08 dude......thats exactly what you are doing though...judgeing the book by it's cover....the cover being the pretty fairings covering the same old shit.

    and i owned a 1988 gpx 250 for a long time. same as the 2007 model...which means....it's the same as the 08....

    which means it's the apocolypse of evil.

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    How can i be judging it by it's cover, all i'm saying is you don't know how kawsaki have tweaked it. I'm being neutral and saying ride the kawa, ride the hyo and then see. You judging it by it's predeccesor. A lot of bike engines have been tweaked by owners after purchase and perform differently, maybe the green machine has not changed but tweaked and evolved the gpx. It may not be a rocket but i bet it has the torrque and power curve learners love and need! I ain't bagging the hyosung, will have to test the 08 ones too see whether the go faster paint jobs they have make them go faster

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    The gpx is like this banana, bullet proof. It dance between criticisms easily. *okay now im being objective lol*

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    Mark, your information is way off, kawasaki never designed the Hyosung, thats crap, there is a tie up with kawasaki and hyosung in nz only because the importer is the same company,
    and writing the bike off before you have seen them is a bit off,

    the new Ninja 250R will have more midrange power than the old gpx250, the motors are not identical, although the bore and stroke are the same the new bike has a new head with shims and buckets rather than the adjustable tappit design,

    it was never designed to be a ZXR250, and to be honest for most learners (the 250 market) these are horrible with no useable power down low,

    as for USD forks, they are a marketing crap, just cause they work on Motogp does not make them better for the average bike, usd forks are more comman to blow fork seals and it is more likely to damage fork sliders, on this sort of bike the conventional forks are a better choice, Hyosung usd forks are more show than purpose,

    things to way up when considering the 2 bikes
    kawasaki 2 year unlimted km warranty, and $6995
    Hynosung 1 year 10000km warranty and $7395 (two tone)

    the Hyosung is a bigger bike so suits bigger guys, the Ninja 250R although a bit bigger than the old GPX is still a bit cramped for bigger guys, the 17's tyres should provide a better range of tyres for them.

    i agree with you the ZXR's go for stupid money, they should be 3-4000k tops but the market sets the price and if people keep paying 6-7k for them its thier choice, i know what i would buy for that money

    just my point of veiw,

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post


    I mean cmon...they arnt even upside down forks (USD's for short),
    2004 CBR600RR doesnt have USD forks, that bike still kicks arse. GSXR750's didn't have USD's untill they got fat. The coolest bike of all time (Kawasaki H2A) doesn't have upside downs

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    dude, stop saying every kawasaki with a p-twin is exactly like a gpx with different fairings. the only bike like a gpx is a gpx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post
    already know exactly what it will be like.

    it's a gpx with pretty panels....same front end same triple clamps same bars...same discs with some petals cut in them....same engine.......same header pipes....ze list goes on.
    If its all exactly the same, why did yoshimura go and make a exhaust system for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post
    and i don't agree with you on that sorry learner riders need open road experiace too...round town all you learn is dodging idiots in cars.
    One would argue that is the key to staying alive on a motorcycle

    Quote Originally Posted by scott411 View Post
    Mark, your information is way off,
    No fucking shit, the kids clearly handicapped

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    All this talk about sportsbikes... they are 250's ffs. Open the throttle and nothing happens...
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    lulz, ever ridden a TL1000R? More to the point, ever ridden with teh Morcs? Didn't fink so.

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    Mark,

    This isn't just a GPX, infact I think you'll find that if you want to compare it as a successor to a bike, it is actually much more closer to the zzr250.

    The people who buy this bike DO NOT WANT TO BUY IT TO GO FAST. It is a fucking 250, the ONLY person who lives and breathes those lovely inline4 250s, is YOU, because you can't seem to hold a licence long enough to get a bigger bike. Everyone else moves on, or takes their 250 to a track, they don't stay on the road.

    This bike, is a newer model with sleek fairings and a timid engine for new riders, this is a GOOD THING. Do you know how many Americans I know of who are thinking of buying bikes, automatically have gone for the Ninja 250 over a bigger bike because of its looks? This is, again, a GOOD THING. Now they have the option of a great brand name, the word "Ninja" and a good looking bike to learn on with timid power and handling that forgives even the craziest of riders. 250s are finally more desirable for them, rather than starting on a 600 IL4.

    Now, handling. You say it will handle like shit because you have ridden an '07 GPX. Oh please, if you're going to make a horendous write up at least do a LITTLE research. Yes the GPX with its 16" rear wheel isn't the greatest to turn with but it is still VERY forgiving. The ZZR250 however (noted as the gpx's successor that was sold outside of US/Canada until about '96), is MAGNIFICENT in corners. I think you'll find, that the technology on the new Ninja 250 is closer to the ZZR250 in regards to base components, one of which is the 17" rear wheel and (correct me if I'm wrong on this) change in suspension. This made a HUGE difference in cornering, not only did the change in fairing models cut through wind better (lets face it, the GPX half faired model wasn't the best in any wind), but the performence in cornering was stellar.

    Speed. There isn't much to say in this regard, it seems everyone BUT you knows the new Ninja250's place in the market. An affordable, good looking machine for commuting and touring on as well as weekend blasts with enough down low grunt to have fun in corners.
    Wait a minute, that sounds familiar. Oh yeah, it sounds exactly like the Ninja650r, better known here as the ER6-F. This is another parallel twin that has blown away the market in handling, comfort and the ability to be a blast in weekends due to its low down twin power. Do you see people comparing it to its inline4 brothers? ZX-6, ZX-6R and ZX-6RR? I don't think so, because that's not what it's made for.

    There's nothing much more to say, all your talk of USDs and single disc brakes are irrelevent, the bike isn't made to need to utilise twin disc brakes, maybe if it was a screaming inline4, but it ain't. It's just a good commuting bike that has....

    I'll need to put this by itself, so you read it..



    That has never once claimed to be a race bike, only a good solid new bike with plenty of low down grunt for a 250 for new riders/riders who would like a stylised 250 as a commuter.



    You can defend your precious ZXR till the cows come home but the fact of the matter is, no one compared them in the first place, you were the only one. So to end this nice big speil of mine, I will finish with one last sentence.

    You are full of shit Mark, let the riders choose what is most comfortable for them.





    (/disclaimer: I personally don't like the new Ninja250's looks, I thought the retro style was great and the bigger back end made for better luggage space, but each to his own!)

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