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    Mounted average-speed cameras on motorways

    I have been following the cheesecutter campaign and wanted to ask about average speed cameras on highways in NZ. In the UK we are having more and more mounted average speed cameras placed on motorways.

    How this system works in you have mounted cameras high above the motorway that register you speed as you pass by them. These cameras are placed at varying distances along a stretch of motorway. Last night I was driving on a stretch of motorway which is usually 70mph but that was restricted to 50mph. I found that instead of being aware of what traffic was around me I was constantly looking at my satnav to check that I wan't going over the specified speed. Not the safest of driving!!

    There are other such systems around the UK and ones that vary the speed say 60pmh then 40pmh, 60pmh, 50mph along a particular stretch. Thi system is extremely hazardous as most driver/riders are more worried about speeding tickets than road safety.

    Just wanted to see if you have this system and to warn you that if your governement in its ultimate wisdom ever proposes such a system you might well be advised to fight it tooth and nail.
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    No, we don't have them. Given NZ's motorway system, much less extensive than UK, they would be of less use than in the UK.

    BTW, do they work with bikes? Given the difficulties of IDing bike rego plates?
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    Nope. No 'average speed' cameras here. Our speed cameras just use a single Doppler laser measurement, thank goodness.

    You have to be pretty oblivious not to notice the cameras in NZ on the side of the road in the ubiquitous Unmarked White Vans, or in the various permanent mounts on poles around towns (which are not always populated with a camera - they don't have enough) in time to brake down to the appropriate speed limit if you happen to be exceeding it.
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    Cameras

    These ones are not like the normal pole ones these are mounted very high up and vertically parallel to the motorway. They are just another means to control, TAX and cause a bloody dangerous nuisance to people on the motorway!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    Nope. No 'average speed' cameras here. Our speed cameras just use a single Doppler laser measurement, thank goodness.

    You have to be pretty oblivious not to notice the cameras in NZ on the side of the road in the ubiquitous Unmarked White Vans, or in the various permanent mounts on poles around towns (which are not always populated with a camera - they don't have enough) in time to brake down to the appropriate speed limit if you happen to be exceeding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    Nope. No 'average speed' cameras here. Our speed cameras just use a single Doppler laser measurement, thank goodness.
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    They have the same type of thing on some of the highways in Aus, as well as above road mounted cameras on some of the Express Ways and Main aterial routes in Melbourne. After the initial hoo har by the majority of the road users, saying they would be nothing but revenue gathering machines. They actually produced results in the way of detterent(or however thats spelled). And the cameras also provided a great source for such things as accident identification, and blackspots so that the local agencies could become pro active in order to target the correct areas for road funding etc.

    As well as the timed interval cameras, mainly used by the long haul trucking companies to regulate their drivers. This also had immediate effects by forcing the drivers to slow down and to take breaks at regular intervals, this dramatically reduced the amount of heavy truck v car incidents by nearly 70% in the first 12 months of operation. And it is also proving beneficial to identify the recidivist car/bike speeders in certain areas. (and yes they worked with bikes as well as there was a second camera on the other side of the oncoming one, which captured the bikes plate. Sort of a double banger insurance)
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    The technology is being put in place for this stuff. Whether it gets used for this purpose or not only time will tell.

    does anyone really think the cameras installed around auckland motorways will only ever be for "traffic monitoring"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho View Post
    These ones are not like the normal pole ones these are mounted very high up and vertically parallel to the motorway. They are just another means to control, TAX and cause a bloody dangerous nuisance to people on the motorway!!
    I hang out on uk.rec.motorcycles; I know what the UK motorway speed cameras are and how they work.

    So... do you think that the motorway speed limits in the UK are too low, then?

    Or do you think that there should be no speed limits whatsoever?

    Or do you think that speed limits should just be a 'suggestion'?

    Just wondering.

    I mean, really. They're just motorways. They feel about the same at 100kph and 140kph. Your scheduling would have to be pretty fucked up for an extra 10mph to be crucial in every trip you take, and you have to be a pretty bad driver if you can't control your speed without becoming distracted from what's going on around you.

    If your government really wanted to tax vehicle users, they'd just tax vehicle users. It wouldn't be hard.

    It'd certainly involve a lot less cost and stuffing around than buying shitloads of cameras and waiting for people to drive past them above a certain speed. I'm not a fan of the 'revenue collection' theories. The people deciding to spend money on speed cameras genuinely think that less people will die on the roads and less expensive property damage will occur as a result of those systems.

    Now, maybe those people are wrong, but I'm pretty bored with the endless ranting from the unwashed masses about 'revenue gathering'.
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    There's currently two of the new generation pole mounted cameras(can mount on any pole thicker than 63mm) which have average speed capabilities being tested down here in chch.

    Also, Lytellton tunnel down here is having a average speed system fitted this year when the 32 additional smart cameras get installed in the tunnel.
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    Personally, I'm not convinced that the average speed cameras work. From what little time I spent in the UK the other year, they all seem to be forward facing. Which means that bikes won't count, cos there's no reg on the front.

    However, how can it snap you doing your 70mph (which is quick) and it has a fraction of a second to 'see' you, record your reg plate, along with a handful of other cars in the frame, then count and snap you again at the other end? What if you've changed lanes? what if your vehicle is obscured by a truck or another car you've caught up to? What if you're between lanes? What about night, where there's so much glare from headlights?
    There's tons of them, so they much do something, I'm just not convinced.

    Personally, like Nymph said, I've heard of crashes happening from people fixed on their speedo, not the road.

    And there's more speed cameras on half of the M25 (the 'ring motorway' round London), than all of NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    You have to be pretty oblivious not to notice the cameras in NZ on the side of the road in the ubiquitous Unmarked White Vans, or in the various permanent mounts on poles around towns (which are not always populated with a camera - they don't have enough) in time to brake down to the appropriate speed limit if you happen to be exceeding it.
    Ha! Over here they do their very best to conceal these vans. I've been meaning to get a camera so I can gather a collection of places they reside in. A good example is between the Totara Park and Upper Hutt lights (most of everyone that goes to the Rimutakas has been through there). There's a stretch of trees on the side of a corner but with one small gap for cars to get to the park on the other side. At the gap sits a white camera van staring right at the end or the row of trees. Once you see it it's got you.

    I wouldn't mind so much if they were meant to trap people. After all it's a bit silly that speeders know where the camera's are, slow down for them, then speed off. But there are entrapment laws right? Something like you must see the car from 100m away? Bugger all distance when going 100km, only got 3 seconds to slow down

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    I seem to recall a proposal to install them on the Auckland motorway system, some years ago.

    Thankfully our "powers that be" were wise enough to see that it was a waste of money.
    Daytime, the motorway is never travelling at a speed enough to trigger them, and night time allows the loons to lose control and crash - which is recorded on the observation cameras anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    Now, maybe those people are wrong, but I'm pretty bored with the endless ranting from the unwashed masses about 'revenue gathering'.
    How do you explain the proposed penalty changes in NZ,then

    Lowest penalty fine - which is the highest number issued -and the ones most commonly paid by Ma & Pa law abiding - is to be increased.

    Every penalty fine above that -which fewer people get -which Joe businessman defends in court or Bob boy racer doesn't pay at all -is to be decreased.

    Result:More revenue for less legal hassle.

    What are those changes other than a cynical attempt to improve the income versus cost balance sheet?

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    Anyone using Ngauranga Gorge in Welly should (by now) have seen that there are at least 6 cameras monitoring the area (posibly more - its lots). I don't for a minute expect them never to be used for average speed monitoring. In fact I ride up/down there as if they already are.

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