Most deadly NZ roads revealed in 5-year survey

[Pwalo]

Im still waiting for them to publish a list of "NZ's most dangerous drivers"....

Or perhaps NZ's most prolific crashers.

[Str8 Jacket]

Or perhaps NZ's most prolific crashers.

Hmm, id be concerned that I would appear on that list! But yeah. What made me laugh was I read the article online, cant remember which site and it was telling people to avoid the roads!.... FFS!

[jrandom]

SH30 from Te Kuiti to Atiamuri

Sixth on the list for "personal risk", eh?

Fuckin' mint road that one. I must ride it again ASAP. Entirely unsurprising that idiots insist on ramming each other and/or driving into trees on it, of course.

And I had a chuckle about SH22 from Drury to Pukekohe being on the list. What about the real SH22 from Tuakau to Waingaro, Auckland KBers' Favourite Place To Bin (tm)?



Actually, whatever happened to SH22? It never seems to figure in rides these days; all you pussies seem to want to do is go on Miranda loops and Coro GPs and muck about up north.

Harden the fuck up auw! I did it on the way back from Taupo yesterday, and apart from some tarmelt and wandering livestock, it was beautiful.

[MSTRS:Me]

And don't forget that they count pedestrian deaths as road deaths if they are hit by a motor vehicle. From memory there were at least two in the Napier area where drunks were walking along the edge of the expressway and were hit by cars. That, my friends, has NOTHING to do with the quality of the road, just the amount of alcohol consumed by the moron who was hit.

Not to mention what the driver had consumed as well (in one of those cases). Like always...it's a series of events that add up to the result.
Unfortunately for one of those walkers, he was heading south walking with his back to the traffic (big no-no eh?) BUT he was hit by a vehicle travelling north, which swerved right across the road to avoid 2 pissheads pushing their car, not quite off the road. See what I mean about series of events?

[Ixion]

I drive that road most days in my truck....and also respond to accidents in that area at times...And that highway being a killer highway and a terrible road are lies.....There is nothing wrong with the road, unfortunately its just after the motorway and people forget that and fail to drive accordingly.

I have long suspected that the hype and hooha about that road is being generated by small group of over wa-wa'd locals who have become obessional about the issue. I've ridden and driven the road many many times for a hellish number of years, and apart from the sunstrike issue, there are no problems at all with it.

[Drum]

..Last night on the news that said they did their calculations by dividing the number of deaths on a given stretch of road by the length of the road. This gave them a number of deaths per kilometre.
...

The crash rate is calculated using fatal crashes, not fatalities (i.e. A crash where 5 people died is a single fatal crash when calculating crash rates). Crash rates are more correctly reported as fatal crashes per vehicle-kilometers travelled (i.e. a function of both distance and traffic volume).

[mowgli]

When the last vestige of responsiblity in New Zealand has been removed from the shoulders of the populace,let me know,turn off the lights and lock the door as you leave.

Amen to that.

When my sister and I learned to drive all my folks could afford was a 1000cc Anglia. Great car for learning to drive ..... and fix cars The 2s rule wasn't a problem. We had to hang back 2s and more just to get enough of a run up to pass. A lack of power really focusses your attention on what might be coming up in the road ahead.

Since then the roads are much improved with many of the interesting curvy bits replaced with boring straight bits. And yet the crash rate still soars. I reckon the road improvements have been offset by the cheap, fuel injected, turboed, suped up coffins coming in from Japan. Many young drivers today have no respect for other road users. It's all about bling to them. Speed and bling. It's a very sad state of affairs.

I say bring in cc or power limits for drivers under 25yo. No more than 4cyl. No turbos or performance enhancements. Vehicles have to be stock. If caught breaking the rules take their licence and their ride away for a few months. That'll get their attention. Break it again - lose it for longer! Make em put a 'N'umpty sticker in the window so the cops can pick em out and/or tax them for not displaying their 'N'umpty sticker.

Am I right???? It works well for us motorcyclists doesn't it????

Disclaimer: some or all of the ideas above may have been stolen from the Victorian government. I hate it when Aussies are right

[Conquiztador]

It's called "Statistics"...a method whereby one can 'prove' anything they want.
The Napier-Hastings road they refer to will be the Expressway, prior to the flyover at Meeanee Rd. Many accidents there because drivers failed to stop per the signs, then latterly failed to stop at the lights.
One 'accident' claimed 3 lives...5 possibly drunk teenagers, driver on restricted licence, 1am in the morning, ran the red light right in front of a fully laden B-train.
Locals are well pleased that there is a bridge/feeder lane complex now. Don't have huge (3-4kms at times) tailbacks at peak times.

Thats what I was thinking too, that it was the expressway, but as Youngatart pointed out (and I notice in todays HB Today) it is not. It is the Napier - Hastings road that goes through Clive... No mentioning of the Expressway. So they have just of some obscure reason dropped HB from having #1, #2 and #4... As all who live in HB knows that before the new over-bridge, the Meeanee intersection was the biggest killer. They say that the SH2 has had 6 deaths in (I think) 5 years. Well, the Meanee intersection has alone had that many most years...

[paturoa]

The latest KiwiRap is out.

Feck some journalists are thick. The Harold shows the Collective risk pictures which does not take into account use. The Personal Risk profile is a lot more relevant.

For example, SHOCK HORROR, the road from Huntly to Hamilton is the uber worst (from a collective perspective). However doesn't register on the actual risk (chance) Personal index because 50 bazillion people travel that route.

If we are serious about addressing the most "dangerous" roads then useage / personal risk must be the criteria.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10849275

[Road kill]

Was a bit suprised by the Drury-Pukekohe stretch actually... Poss due to the multi fatality factor when them kids "flew" off the road a couple of years ago, oh, and the stoopid overtaking stretch near NZ Hothouse!

There's been 4 deaths I know of on that bit of road this year.
And what is it 20kms ?

That's also why they shut down the passing lane by NZ Hothouse,,,next the one by the golf course with any luck.

[Brian d marge]

In the culture of blame that we enjoy, it is apparent that it is the fault of every voter in the country.
After all, it was them who elected a government that allows Transit's engineers to exist, and LTNZ to control the road rules and allow drivers to operate 2+ wheeled missiles.
What annoys me is the practice of 'fixing' so-called dangerous roads. The reality is that only shifts the problem somewhere else, or creates a new situation (or reason) whereby motorists can kill each other.

It part of a thinking shift that can be traced back the the RAND corp and Nashes game theory , which had a fundamental flaw ,,,,we are nice people ( sometimes )

but pollys like it because they can quantify and control

Stephen

[Jantar]

...That's also why they shut down the passing lane by NZ Hothouse,,,next the one by the golf course with any luck.

And in doing so, make the road even more dangerous.

[DEATH_INC.]

Since then the roads are much improved with many of the interesting curvy bits replaced with boring straight bits. And yet the crash rate still soars. I reckon the road improvements have been offset by the cheap, fuel injected, turboed, suped up coffins coming in from Japan.

Not even that, it's all cars out there now (not just the boy racer version)...they hum along at 100-100 and whatever k's you feel like doing, so easily and comfortably on their cheap assed chinese or s/h jap tyres, that it all feels nice and comfy until something goes wrong...then it's too late to realize just how fast your 1500+kg missile is going and how much room it needs to stop/turn (even at 100k) and just how shit your tyres are. And your lack of actual ability to cope with it.
There's too many variables to know what makes us crash (both bikes and cars) for example, how many accidents/deaths are ACTUALLY caused by 'boy racers'? How many are overly old and shit chinese tyres? I'm pretty sure they just check if they're wofable or not. How many by 'visitors' to our country making simple fuckups? etc etc...

Roads are never the problem, if you drive to the conditions (incl the road) you don't crash....

[Road kill]

And in doing so, make the road even more dangerous.

Mate it's not the road that's dangerous,,it's the people passing at or just after the merge at the end of the passing lane.

I've had people force me over at the end of that fucking lane while I've been on my bike or in my truck more times than I can count.

What that road needs is no passing lanes anywhere and double yellows the whole way.

Then her an the rest of the clowns can just carry on tailgating each other for the "whole" 20kms.

FFS,their going to Pukekohe or Waiuku,,,what's the rush anyway ?,,,,,,to get one car space in front,,,yeah right