The firearm thread

**doc** · 9th February 2008, 20:37

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

the safety lecture... I had it beaten into me as a kid (Sue Bradford - see.. a smack does do good!)

Sorry you don't understand you only have to be safe or demonstrate safety now at the interview or renewal of the licences.

**The Pastor** · 9th February 2008, 21:52

ok looks like i'll get a bolt action. Anyone know of any good deals?

**jrandom** · 10th February 2008, 02:52

Originally Posted by renegade master

ok looks like i'll get a bolt action. Anyone know of any good deals?

Bolt action .22LR?

Norinco JW15. About $350 brand new bundled with a 4X Tasco scope at most gun shops.

Didn't I already post that?

**The Pastor** · 10th February 2008, 07:37

Originally Posted by jrandom

Bolt action .22LR?

Norinco JW15. About $350 brand new bundled with a 4X Tasco scope at most gun shops.

Didn't I already post that?

are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

**deanohit** · 10th February 2008, 08:11

Originally Posted by renegade master

are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

Hell no man, yep they're chinese and they're a knock off, but I've had almost 2000 rounds through mine (got it second hand in new condition), put quality ammo in it and it does every thing I want it too, accurate at 25, 50, out to 100 metres on a good day weather wise.
It now has some rust on it after my brother borrowed it with out me knowing (yes, he does have a licence) and didn't clean it properly, but so what, it's my general beater rifle.
They're easy to learn the shoot and maintain.
Only problem is it doesn't like rounds with a large hollow point in them, the point is too flat to load reliably, so I use small hollow points instead and opt instead for bullet placement instead of maximum damage.

**The Pastor** · 10th February 2008, 08:14

ok looks like i i'll get a Norinco JW15, thanks jrandom & deano

Do they work with that hollow point grease/birdshot trick you were telling me about?

**deanohit** · 10th February 2008, 08:17

Originally Posted by renegade master

ok looks like i i'll get a Norinco JW15, thanks jrandom & deano

Do they work with that hollow point grease/birdshot trick you were telling me about?

Yea, gotta leave the mag in and feed the bullet into the chamber by hand, the birdshot makes the round to long to fit into the mag. Still fun though!

**ManDownUnder** · 10th February 2008, 08:21

Originally Posted by renegade master

are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

LOL cheap yes but the quality is actually ok (not excellent - but you gets what you pays for.). Keep in mind guns are different to bikes though. Cheap stuff (espcially a .22) will still last you 20 years+ if you maintain it reasonably and the accuracy is more than you are likely to have.

Buying quality (Winchester, Savage, BRNO,etc) will be a lifetime investment. They will literally outlast you.

Start cheap, get the hang of it and if/when you're ready to go upmarket do it. You'll have a greater understand of how often you'll shoot, if you really want a .22 etc.

Me personally... .22 is probably my favourite calibre. Cheap to feed, low maintenance (low barrel wear etc) and good for plinking rabbits and possums. Suitable challenging shall we say. I'm looking to go upmarket and get a stainless .22 (bolt action you'll note... which makes is damned hard to find one I like)... probably a Ruger 77/22.

Start small and cheap - decide what you like to do then take if tfrom there. It may be you prefer a semi auto, pump, lever, bolt or single shot but whatever it is, it needs to be a qualified decision. In the meantime get familiar with shooting, hone your skills and work out what style of shooting you prefer.

It's a lot like motorcycling.

**The Pastor** · 10th February 2008, 08:32

some sound advice thanks guys. Going to pay my $123.50 today.

**jrandom** · 10th February 2008, 10:47

Originally Posted by renegade master

are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

Cheap, but not crap. Norinco don't really do original firearm designs; they copy well-proven ones. The JW15 is a copy of the Brno .22, which is an excellent rifle.

Same deal goes for my Norinco M305, a copy of the American M-14.

Norinco also make well-regarded clones of the Colt 1911 .45 pistol.

Generally, you'll find that a Norinco firearm has somewhat rough exterior finish and a trigger pull that may or may not be particularly good, but they'll shoot straight and reliably and last well. At the price they sell for, you really can't go wrong having one or two in your gunrack.

**deanohit** · 10th February 2008, 12:13

Originally Posted by jrandom

Generally, you'll find (snip) a trigger pull that may or may not be particularly good, but they'll shoot straight

Had my trigger assembly polished by a mate, talk about nice and crisp now, and a nice weight to it, I don't know how many lbs it is though.
I now prefer shooting my Norinco to my old Henry .22 lever gun, which, while it's fun and looks good, isn't all that accurate beyond 50 metres.

**Wolf** · 10th February 2008, 12:34

Originally Posted by jrandom

The JW15 is a copy of the Brno .22, which is an excellent rifle.

Indeed it is. If you're going to clone a .22, you can't go wrong with the Brno.

I've had experience with Norinco AK-47 and SKS clones and they were not bad at all. The Norinco SKS looked a fair bit better than my genuine Russian one (mind you, the Norinco was brand new and the Russian was rather old).

Any of you other old farts remember the Toz - dirt-cheap old Russian .22lr with absolutely no quality control, meaning you could get an absolute lemon that had you spewing vitriol at the mention of "Toz" or you could get the best rifle on the planet that had you extolling the virtues of this rugged-as rifle that takes everything you can throw at it and still goes strong.

Never owned one myself but I've known a few who had them - with very varied experiences.

**The Pastor** · 10th February 2008, 13:45

what does 'lr' mean?

**jrandom** · 10th February 2008, 13:51

Originally Posted by renegade master

what does 'lr' mean?

'Long Rifle'.

Which may make you giggle, when you look at the size of the cartridges, but there is also a '.22 short' calibre. Not too common, though. Some Olympic-style pistol shooters like it, but that's about it.

Rimfire type cartridges used to be much more prevalent back in the Good Old Days. There were some seriously fat rimfire calibres. I suspect Mr Merde or one of the other history buffs will be able to add some detail to that comment.

Unfortunately, most of those calibres have fallen by the wayside, leaving .22 Long Rifle as the only common rimfire calibre, along with new designs like the .17HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire).