Do I pay this ticket?

[doc]

On our South Island holiday last week it finally happened - got a ticket.
my address was wrong on ticket.

Just ignore it they will send the ticket to some other poor sucker. Admit nothing .

[scumdog]

Yes they can cancel a ticket with errors on it and issue another one with the correct details.

But what would I know, just read and believe what the other wannabe bush lawyer know-it-alls have posted on the topic if you want..............

[Patrick]

A clever lawyer would get you off that. Probably. Is $80 and 20 demerits worth his fee tho? Plus the court costs if you lose?

$400 per hour.. hmmm... yeah, good idea for a $80 ticket... Dont forget to add court costs on too.

Challenge it but be prepared to pay. Silly bugger, you should never admit to speeding... say your speedo obviously needs adjusting...

Speedo out is no defence.

I believe you can apply to have it moved to a court nearer you

only for a guilty plea. Otherwise, defended hearing in the court nearest thelocation of the offence.

wrong date ?? wrong adress?? maybe wrong speed . cop pig fucked up . take it too court

Read the thread... re issued with another ticket after the errors were noticed. New ticket is correct, assumedly. Old inaccurate one was cancelled (ie: doesn't exist anymore...).

Onus of proof is on the defendant in traffic charges - the cops just need to say you are guilty, and lo and behold, there you are, a menace to society and deserve everything you get and more.
Real crimes, the cops have to provide evidence, but this does not apply.
Since you got pulled over, they could always get the cop to identify you in court as a witness. This is not necessary as cops never lie or make mistakes, so you must be guilty if they say so. Pay up and consider it a donation to the Labour Party reelection fund

Bwahaha... no evidence in court for speeding? What about speedo calibration certificates, rader calibration certificates, log book filled in, user certified to use it, admissions made, all for a $80 ticket... sheesh.. Identity is not an issue for tickets. The ticket was issued, full stop, end of story. How the hell is a snake going to remember every face to every ticket issued? Some of those fellas issue 1000's a year.

But quite right, I say you're guilty, so lo and behold, there you are...

Maybe everyone should go changing documents just for the hell of it at a later date
some people do and look where they end up .

He didn't. He found an error and issued a new one, cancelling the old one. The problem is?

Yes they can cancel a ticket with errors on it and issue another one with the correct details.

But what would I know, just read and believe what the other wannabe bush lawyer know-it-alls have posted on the topic if you want..............

On ya scummy... bwahahahahahahahahaha... Must spead more blingy stuff... Just trying to save the newbie some $$$...

[Skyryder]

If he got the date wrong you could challange on the grounds that he got the speed wrong. At the end of the day it would would come down to who has the most credibility. Bob Jones would hire a team of lawyers for something like this just to prove a point but unless you have some serious dosh to take on the 'system' the judge is going to belive the copper. If you were speeding I'd be inclined to pay up and move on.

The other move you could make is a letter to the Minister of Police telling her that you expect a better standard of proffessionalism from her department. Won't change anything but might make you feel better knowing that the cop needs to 'up' his play.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

The other move you could make is a letter to the Minister of Police telling her that you expect a better standard of proffessionalism from her department. Won't change anything but might make you feel better knowing that the cop needs to 'up' his play.

Skyryder

It might make him feel better - but the cop certainly won't feel any different or realize he needs to 'up his play' as he'll receive no notification that the letter ever existed.

Oh, and I guess doing a job 100% correctly a 100% of the time must feel good for those that can do it - us lesser mortals have an 'oops' now and then....

[duckonin]

Just pay it not worth any other consideration at all, try and take it to court multiply the $80 at least ten times for and end result if you use a solicitor or consider the time spent sitting around a court room with all the other dead beats of society, $80 bucks what three tanks of gas, or there abouts....anyway what road was he patrolling, wil be in the South for a month as of Wednesday, think I will stick to the speed limit unless I'm travelling behind a hare, then he will be my radar for me..

[Skyryder]

It might make him feel better - but the cop certainly won't feel any different or realize he needs to 'up his play' as he'll receive no notification that the letter ever existed.

Oh, and I guess doing a job 100% correctly a 100% of the time must feel good for those that can do it - us lesser mortals have an 'oops' now and then....

Not entirely true. Last thing anyone wants is 'their' boss on their backs. I'd be sending a copy to the area commander. One of the things I'd be asking is for conformation that the officer has been spoken too on the need for accuracy of documentation of facts. That should do it.

No SD I do not expect 100%. We all make mistakes but as a member of the public I do expect the police to 'document' facts accuratley 100%. The police expect no less of me.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Not entirely true. Last thing anyone wants is 'their' boss on their backs. No SD I do not expect 100%. We all make mistakes but as a member of the public I do expect the police to 'document' facts accuratley 100%. The police expect no less of me.

Skyryder

One ticket (or even a half dozen) won't even raise a ripple for the boss.)

And they did document the facts 100% - hence the second ticket, the 100% accurate one.

Expect no less from you?? what do you mean? They want you to do no faster than 100kph, not even 101kph?.

[Skyryder]

One ticket (or even a half dozen) won't even raise a ripple for the boss.)

And they did document the facts 100% - hence the second ticket, the 100% accurate one.

Expect no less from you?? what do you mean? They want you to do no faster than 100kph, not even 101kph?.

If the officer documented the original ticket 100% correctly there would be no need for the second.

As I understand the police have considerable resources at their disposal from a patrol car. Establishing the correct day and date and year I surmise is one of them.

What do I mean??

If a 'statement' is made to the police that will be used in a court of law there is an expectation from the police that the statement is factualy correct. Certainly pertaining to the date that the statement matters refer's to.

Skyryder

[Patrick]

If the officer documented the original ticket 100% correctly there would be no need for the second.

As I understand the police have considerable resources at their disposal from a patrol car. Establishing the correct day and date and year I surmise is one of them.

What do I mean??

If a 'statement' is made to the police that will be used in a court of law there is an expectation from the police that the statement is factualy correct. Certainly pertaining to the date that the statement matters refer's to.

Skyryder

So the second ticket is inaccurate? If so, challenge it then... If not, he has issued a 100% correct ticket after cancelling one that was inaccurate. Job well done, give that man a donut.

[spudchucka]

As I understand the police have considerable resources at their disposal from a patrol car. Establishing the correct day and date and year I surmise is one of them.

Every cop has a notebook, not just a ticket book.

At the start of each day a cop writes the date in their notebook, at the start of each new entry for that day they will write in the time. Consequently, if they have used their notebook, (they will have because that's what cops do) they would have recorded the details of the offence, (date & time etc) correctly.

They may have made a mistake in writing out the infringement notice but since they have recorded the details correctly in their notebook in the first instance they are then able to refer to these notes when issuing a second ticket subsequent to cancelling the first one.

[Skyryder]

Every cop has a notebook, not just a ticket book.

At the start of each day a cop writes the date in their notebook, at the start of each new entry for that day they will write in the time. Consequently, if they have used their notebook, (they will have because that's what cops do) they would have recorded the details of the offence, (date & time etc) correctly.

They may have made a mistake in writing out the infringement notice but since they have recorded the details correctly in their notebook in the first instance they are then able to refer to these notes when issuing a second ticket subsequent to cancelling the first one.

So if you know the cop recorded the details correctly as you state in your post how is it that he gets the date right in one book and the date wrong in the other? That's assuming that he 'did' write the correct date in his notebook. You do realise of course that the 'logical' assumption from my position is that if he got it wrong on the infringment notice then there is also the likelehood he got it wrong in his notebook too. So from what you have told me it is 'possible' that the cop made two mistakes instead of one.

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Anything is possible mate, the cop might even be human. Wouldn't that be a shock!

[CookMySock]

When I got home there was a letter from the cop, date was wrong, my address was wrong on ticket. So he says that ticket is cancelled and he has issued a replacment!
Can they do this? would you pay?

No, and No.

First, do NOTHING until they send you the computer printed notice. Then reply thusly ;

"Dear Sir,
I have received an infringement notice dated blah/blah/blah in the area state highway blah etc.

I can prove I was not in this area on this date.

The street address quoted on the infringement notice is NOT MY ADDRESS. I have never lived at 123 forgetitpig street, pigtown.

My legal advice is to not pay this fine, and to not enter into discussion with regard to it.


best regards,
up yours etc"

You will get then another letter from them probably in ALL CAPS to which you should reply in similar fashion "MY LEGAL ADVICE IS THAT THIS INFRINGEMENT NOTICE WILL NOT STAND IN A COURT OF LAW".

They will know you have them, coz you do.

DB

[DingoZ]

Every cop has a notebook, not just a ticket book.

At the start of each day a cop writes the date in their notebook, at the start of each new entry for that day they will write in the time. Consequently, if they have used their notebook, (they will have because that's what cops do) they would have recorded the details of the offence, (date & time etc) correctly.

They may have made a mistake in writing out the infringement notice but since they have recorded the details correctly in their notebook in the first instance they are then able to refer to these notes when issuing a second ticket subsequent to cancelling the first one.

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Plus it is also on record at Comms, what time the officer stopped the vehicle, where they stopped it and what enquiries were done. Another form of checking which can be used as a referance. Sometimes things are written down wrong - this happens...Human error.......Like everyone else hasn't made an error from time to time....

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