Legalise Crystal Meth?

[SixPackBack]

And this has ever worked where????

A watered down version exists successfully in Holland. Elsewhere we have not had the opportunity to try, principally because the yanks have such a hold on drug laws.

[SixPackBack]

Nah, society ain't working, just look around you....problems come ...enforcement comes.....problem mainly still there....nobody has personal responsibility

Exactly. Government agencies attempt to be take over personal responsibility. Unsuccessfully.

Chicken or egg? - I think the problem was there first - how the politicians handle it is the problem too.

In 30 years or so we'll have high school massacres and all the other things we say 'only in America' about at the moment.

Its easy to see and understand why you would become dissilusioned with society in general. If we accept the the current 'war on drugs' is not working what do you suggest we replace it with?

[scumdog]

A watered down version exists successfully in Holland. Elsewhere we have not had the opportunity to try, principally because the yanks have such a hold on drug laws.

The Yanks have a hold on all the world except for Holland?/

(In best Al Borland voice): "I don't think so Tim".

[scumdog]

Its easy to see and understand why you would become dissilusioned with society in general. If we accept the the current 'war on drugs' is not working what do you suggest we replace it with?

Unfortunately like a lot of issues in life the 'solution' we have does not work as it should (hey, were dealing with humans, 'nuff said) but nobody has got anything that works better.

Until then we have what we have.

And I guess I am here to counter the Pollyannas of the world.

[SixPackBack]

Unfortunately like a lot of issues in life the 'solution' we have does not work as it should (hey, were dealing with humans, 'nuff said) but nobody has got anything that works better.

To carry on a 'war' when we know what the reuslt will be is insane, why do it?

How do we know nothing else will work without trying?

Its like the magic roundabout at the moment........admitance drug abuse causes harm, adherance to antiquated laws that have proven ineffective and a total unwillingness to change.

[SixPackBack]

One concept that has never really been tried is Social Engineering. Now I'm not talking about some dusty gubermunt department dreamin' up a concept over cream donuts at smoko.

No sir.

PAID Professional advertising agencies given enormous amounts of money to totally change our perception of drugs and abuse, to take drugs could become so uncool only a leper would even try. Social standards could be set and cemented in the heart of the most hardend admirer.

Now I'm not saying that overnight we could magically mop up the abusers nationwide or create a collective epiphany, but given time, social engineering would make the difference the Police cannot.

[Virago]

To carry on a 'war' when we know what the reuslt will be is insane, why do it?

How do we know nothing else will work without trying?

Its like the magic roundabout at the moment........admitance drug abuse causes harm, adherance to antiquated laws that have proven ineffective and a total unwillingness to change.

Declaring laws to be ineffective does not necessarily mean that the laws must be repealed, or that problems would be solved by a law change.

There is a law against murder. It could be argued that the law has proven ineffective. Should murder be made legal?

Drug laws are not meant to solve drug problems. They are a tool to help control the problems.

Suggesting that the problems could be reduced by legalisation is naive in the extreme.

[SixPackBack]

Suggesting that the problems could be reduced by legalisation is naive in the extreme.

Is it? Legislation currently controls drug use/abuse?

[Ixion]

One concept that has never really been tried is Social Engineering. Now I'm not talking about some dusty gubermunt department dreamin' up a concept over cream donuts at smoko.

No sir.

PAID Professional advertising agencies given enormous amounts of money to totally change our perception of drugs and abuse, to take drugs could become so uncool only a leper would even try. Social standards could be set and cemented in the heart of the most hardend admirer.

Now I'm not saying that overnight we could magically mop up the abusers nationwide or create a collective epiphany, but given time, social engineering would make the difference the Police cannot.

That was pretty much the position when I was young. Fading then , I think, but certainly in the 1930s and earlier, back to the 19th century, use of opium, cocaine etc (yes, they were around then), was regarded as the mark of a degenerate and a loser. Read Kipling for a social insight, sympathetic but totally scornfull.

Interestingly, gaining acceptance seemed to coincide roughly in time with the various laws banning drugs. Whether the laws became necessary because the use of the stuff became more widespread, or whether use became socially acceptable because of some perverse reaction to laws forbidding it I do not know (and I doubt anyone does).

It would be an interesting experiment to go back to the 19th century position. But enormously risky. The damage to society if it DIDN'T work could be colossal and irremediable.

[SixPackBack]

That was pretty much the position when I was young. Fading then , I think, but certainly in the 1930s and earlier, back to the 19th century, use of opium, cocaine etc (yes, they were around then), was regarded as the mark of a degenerate and a loser. Read Kipling for a social insight, sympathetic but totally scornfull.

Interestingly, gaining acceptance seemed to coincide roughly in time with the various laws banning drugs. Whether the laws became necessary because the use of the stuff became more widespread, or whether use became socially acceptable because of some perverse reaction to laws forbidding it I do not know (and I doubt anyone does).

It would be an interesting experiment to go back to the 19th century position. But enormously risky. The damage to society if it DIDN'T work could be colossal and irremediable.

WOW!

I am a descendant of Rudyard Kipling, how strange! [no shit]

And yes you are correct, should it not work excess damage could occur. But hey most laws enacted are both a reflection of societies wishes and a social experiment, and can at anytime be changed. [cue the 'party pill legislation']

Working in R&D experiments are my life. Solid change is unobtainable without them.

On the subject of use plain and simple, it should not be forgetten some of the most melodious tunes still playing every day on Hauraki are a direct result of drug use.

Its abuse that stings and control by the wrong Government agencies that are, I believe the most important matters.

[Rotor]

Some people think P in the right amount is ok
just like a hole in the head is ok

[DMNTD:Me]

Some people think P in the right amount is ok
just like a hole in the head is ok

Great insight...want to elaborate or is that all the insight,wisdom and experience you have to share?

[Mikkel]

I was wondering if anyone has any numbers on problems with stuff like cannabis in Australia compared to New Zealand.

In most of Australia it has been decriminalised - e.g. in ACT you can have up to 25 grams or two plants without being persecuted (you may get a $100 fine though).

Just curious.

[Street Gerbil]

Excellent idea! Don't we all love mad drivers trying to run us off the road?

[SixPackBack]

Excellent idea! Don't we all love mad drivers trying to run us off the road?

After smoking pot?..............dude if they can't count the lamposts they will be shitting themselves. Pot heads are far safer than drunks on the road.