Legalise Crystal Meth?

[DMNTD:Me]

OK wise guy, give us the facts on using 'P' - you know, the ones that say how harmless, cheap and non-addictive it is???????

If you read my posts you'd see that I'm not claiming that it is harmless at all,P is not a "friendly harmless" drug...all I'm stating is that not all users of P have been completely screwed up by their intake/use of it but it is reported that it'll screw ANYONE that tries it completely up.

I do see BOTH sides of the story. I also put it to you that you'd probably only see the mongrel side of it which is shocking I know.

P is not cheap but not all users are on the dole as you well know.

P is addictive to an extent however it's extremely addictive to the weak minded.

How do I know this...because I used to be a HEAVY P user and have learnt from my experiences both good and bad.

I personally do not see a problem in people having the "occasional" in the privacy of their own home as long as it doesn't affect anyone else...same with pot. However where that becomes a problem is that it creates an illicit income for criminal types which I don't agree with.

I should also point out that I've helped more than 20 people get off the stuff as I well know how bad it can affect some people.

I do NOT advocate its use at all,I'm simply stating my findings through real life experience on several levels(extreme high use to occasional) of the "P lifestyle".

[MIXONE]

Scumdog you being a and me not there is probable not too many things we would agree on however this p shit is one.Watching the propagander video on the changing faces reminds me of a good friend who went from being a 110 kg truckie with business,house,wife and kid to a 75 kg gang member with no life outside of the gang.It is bad shit and if anybody is contemplating trying it DO NOT TOUCH IT!!!

[Mikkel]

At least regular consumption of P would improve the general state of NZ driving:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kegLdHfUsoY[/YOUTUBE]

[spudchucka]

Have a gander at this

I love the last one. Most of those are actually pretty mild examples, I have seen some far worse examples than that.

It is also quite an eye opener to see a P addict scratching away at the insects under their skin and just keep on scratching through the flesh as they open themselves up.

I think its a very sad indictment on society that there are people who actually think there is an issue to be debated here.

[Mikkel]

I think its a very sad indictment on society that there are people who actually think there is an issue to be debated here.

Yes, let's just deny and ignore the problem and it'll go away by itself! That always works...

[Edbear]

Yes, let's just deny and ignore the problem and it'll go away by itself! That always works...

I doubt that was what he meant. I think he means that the evidence makes it beyond debate. Those who believe it is harmless, or causes inconsequential harm, are simply ignoring the facts.

Like gambling, there is a persistent "head in the sand" attitude by many.

[Mikkel]

Yes, let's just deny and ignore the problem and it'll go away by itself! That always works...

He is right

No he isn't - he is just speaking his opinion. You agree with him - but that doesn't mean he's got a patent on the truth!

You can't make existing problems disappear by not being willing to consider, debate and react to them in a rational and open minded manner.

Anyone who's not a complete fuckwit realises this.
Those who don't should take their PC touchy-feely bullshit and move somewhere nice and sunny where issues of a social nature are not addressed at all and see how they like that.

[Mikkel]

I doubt that was what he meant. I think he means that the evidence makes it beyond debate. Those who believe it is harmless, or causes inconsequential harm, are simply ignoring the facts.

Like gambling, there is a persistent "head in the sand" attitude by many.

Indeed - there haven't been (m)any posts in this thread preaching the blessings of P. Quite the contrary - people just say there's need to face the fact that there is a problem and criminalisation is only going to estrange the addicts to a point where they feel they can not get help with their problem.

And yes, it's a bit like gambling. And what I was advocating is exactly that the "head in the sand" attitude is not going to get us anywhere in trying to solve the problem.

[Edbear]

Indeed - there haven't been (m)any posts in this thread preaching the blessings of P. Quite the contrary - people just say there's need to face the fact that there is a problem and criminalisation is only going to estrange the addicts to a point where they feel they can not get help with their problem.

And yes, it's a bit like gambling. And what I was advocating is exactly that the "head in the sand" attitude is not going to get us anywhere in trying to solve the problem.

There's a difference between legalising and decriminalising a substance, and it is a problem as to how you handle such drugs. There is no doubt 'P' causes a huge amount of harm, but as with all addictions, including gambling, the only really effective answer is education from childhood.

I'm not sure that addicts are put off by the fact that the substance is illegal, driving them into secrecy. If an addict recognises they need help, that help is available, be it drugs, alcohol or gambling, but they first need to accept they are addicted and needing help.

The big difference with Methamphetamine is the effect it has on the person. Complete paranoia and a propensity to uncontrolled violence, by "uncontrolled" I mean uncontrollable either by themselves or anyone trying to intervene. The one high on 'P' is simply beyond reason and physically subduing him is the only way to stop him. The sheer violence of the person makes this a hazardous endeavour for the Police and why it often ends in tragedy.

Too often it is argued that it is an individual's personal choice to take drugs or gamble and therefore it is an infringement of their rights to legislate against such. However, it is also indisputable that such persons cost society a huge amount of money, time and grief in dealing with the consequences. The sad and often tragic results impinge on the right of the general populace to live in safety and security, and those who protest most loudly about their "rights", need to think about the rights of those who's lives they affect.

[Mr. Peanut]

The problem is, drugs like these tend to appeal to people with pre-existing personality disorders. Level headed people may be able to use these occasionally without harm, but are less likely to use in the first place.

Perhaps a license, or supervised environment could satisfy the curious? I'll admit I'd like to find out some of the effects some controlled substances have. But I'm not willing to trust the pharmaceutical skills of a backyard chemist.

[carver]

this thread is more about personal responsibility, tolerance, and understanding than just saying "we dont want this shit" cause guess what
despite legalisation or not, its most likely here to stay

[doc]

this thread is more about personal responsibility, tolerance, and understanding than just saying "we dont want this shit" cause guess what
despite legalisation or not, its most likely here to stay

How the fuck can you be responsible, tolerant, and understanding under the influence of this timebomb that those in the know are waiting to go off. Your not tryin to defend a habit are ya ?

[carver]

How the fuck can you be responsible, tolerant, and understanding under the influence of this timebomb that those in the know are waiting to go off. Your not tryin to defend a habit are ya ?

nope, but i have known several ex users, and they are fine now.
the debate is interesting
does P really make you loose all self control and turn into a pshyco

[spudchucka]

Yes, let's just deny and ignore the problem and it'll go away by itself! That always works...

Who's ignoring it, the astounding thing is that there are people who think the stuff should legalised.

[doc]

nope, but i have known several ex users, and they are fine now.
the debate is interesting
does P really make you loose all self control and turn into a pshyco

Yeah while you are under the influence.

Why the fuck do you think the Police are asking for more firepower.

How long is an ex user and ex user ?


You only get one brain this shit causes the most damage so far , part of the evolution cycle. The next one will be more adictive and more of a problem.