Excluding based on sex...

[Deano]

NB: The zooki and yammy trackdays do not EXCLUDE other bikes.

The GSXR and Kiwi Rider (Suzuki) track days specifically exclude other brands.

Not sure why this is such a big deal.

It's not. Get a life people.

[madandy]

A bit like the Gixxer only track days, cause of course *they* feel more comfortable without any CBR's around !!

Especially from 2008 on.....

You have your Honda Riders Club days, don't forget...Other makes may be allowed but they're not invited.
I'd expect the Zooki/GSXR days are geared up to market equipment at the riders/enthusiasts of these bikes and such effort would be wasted on a CBR lover.

Has this thread kicked off due to some young guy's need to ride with women rather than men?
In the interestes of increasing participation numbers it is often beneficial to exclude those already involved in an activity so as to encourage new people to have a go...
As a Golf Course Superintendent I see improved retention of newbies, regardless of sex, when they are introduced to Golf and coached separate to the show offs already in the Club.
Let the girls who wanna ride with other chicks now & then have their fun. I wouldn't wanna ride with a bunch of sweaty, smelly, show off boys all the time either

[MSTRS:Me]

...Get a life people.

Indeed. In most cases, exclusion of one gender should not be a problem...as long as that is a two-way street. Which is where the problem becomes apparent. The double standard is not a fair go. The old 'What's your's is mine and what's mine is mine'.
But it is election year

[Squiggles]

Fine by me as long as theres no scrapping if i was to do the same for males, thats equality

[Finn]

Fine by me as long as theres no scrapping if i was to do the same for males, thats equality

We'd win anyway.

[Deano]

You have your Honda Riders Club days, don't forget...

I haven't forgotten - I don't particularly agree with the idea of excluding brands, regardless of whether it's Honda, Suzuki or Hyosung for all I care.

I understand that the Honda days do allow other brands, but at a higher entry fee.

If some chicks want to hire the track and only allow chicks, who cares ?

Mother's Day is a private hire and no Jappas allowed - who cares ?

[007XX]

thats what the slow group is for. Plenty of rider training going on at trackdays. I think the point about not wanting to look bad (really not digging at you here so take it for what its worth) is a valid and common excuse for not attending trackdays. The thing is, no one notices. And if they do they simply dont care. People are busy doing their own thing on trackdays than picking on others. The ones that get themselves noticed are the ones being dicks.


based on sex? If I was learning to ride I would feel quite dejected if I showed up to a newbie ride and got told that I couldnt ride because I have a penis. Moreso, annoying that a possible trackday I could attend and not being allowed to for the same reason. Point was made about suzuki and yamaha but at least they dont exclude others.

Hi Cowboyz...I have done a normal track day and loved it. However, I have to admit that it was at first intimidating because of a few young dickheads who thought it utterly hilarious to wizz by someone who is an obvious first timer and also who is obviously a chick , and I mean so very close I could almost smell them

Now, I happen to be the kind of chick to just get pissed off at that sort of attitude, and just decide to give them the big finger by getting better and better throughout the day despite their obvious disregard for how their attitude could affect me on the track.

But other women out there get intimidated way easier, and how fair is it for them to have to put up with little shits like these guys?

No one is targeting you personally, but just trying to cater for a group of riders with particular self confidence and skill issues.

Oh and btw, Flame would never be intimidating on a track of newbie girls...she'd be smart enough to just be respectful and mindful of the people around her.

To sum up my point: A few bad eggs in your gender group is spoiling it for the rest of you lovely blokes.
It's sad and unfair, I agree...but there are plenty of track days out there that I don't see it should hurt you that much.

[blueblade]

The Honda days are run by the Honda Riders Club. You can ride whatever brand of bike you like but you pay a higher price if you are not an HRC Club member. They recently decided to exclude race or non road registered bikes so some of us are crying because of that.
They also occasionally run lady only or learner days. Cant see any problem with that. Organisers can invite, or not invite whoever they want. Its their day.

[Blossom]

I agree that some shit has been taken too far, the golf thing for instance, but it is probably retaliation for the years of women not even being allowed on the course (and until recently I believe, some golf courses still did this).
Anyway, it's bed time, work in the morning, night night people.

and might I add the word GOLF stands for Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden.
So times have changed, the pendulum has swung perhaps too far in our favour. It sucks, it always has.
And as far a ladies only rides I also wonder if thats because there is a lot less women on bikes out there and so a bit more advertising to get them together is needed to get them all in one spot.?

[Str8 Jacket]

Oh and btw, Flame would never be intimidating on a track of newbie girls...she'd be smart enough to just be respectful and mindful of the people around her.

flame could never be initmidating unless she really wanted to anyway. She is waay to luffly!

[MSTRS:Me]

...but there are plenty of track days out there that I don't see it should hurt you that much.

Ah, he's just pissed cos he got married not long ago, and his darling missus knows what he gets (got?) up to around a bunch of leather-clad wimmin...she has applied the RuleOfThumb

[madandy]

I haven't forgotten - I don't particularly agree with the idea of excluding brands, regardless of whether it's Honda, Suzuki or Hyosung for all I care.

I understand that the Honda days do allow other brands, but at a higher entry fee.

If some chicks want to hire the track and only allow chicks, who cares ?

Mother's Day is a private hire and no Jappas allowed - who cares ?

Everyone participating in this discussion cares. Some agree & others don't.
If I wanted to increase market share of my product I'd invite other brand users along to show them how good my product was...It's not about rewarding brand loyalty, its about extracting more money out of the punters.

Hi Cowboyz...I have done a normal track day and loved it. However, I have to admit that it was at first intimidating because of a few young dickheads who thought it utterly hilarious to wizz by someone who is an obvious first timer and also who is obviously a chick , and I mean so very close I could almost smell them

Now, I happen to be the kind of chick to just get pissed off at that sort of attitude, and just decide to give them the big finger by getting better and better throughout the day despite their obvious disregard for how their attitude could affect me on the track.

But other women out there get intimidated way easier, and how fair is it for them to have to put up with little shits like these guys?

No one is targeting you personally, but just trying to cater for a group of riders with particular self confidence and skill issues.

Oh and btw, Flame would never be intimidating on a track of newbie girls...she'd be smart enough to just be respectful and mindful of the people around her.

To sum up my point: A few bad eggs in your gender group is spoiling it for the rest of you lovely blokes.
It's sad and unfair, I agree...but there are plenty of track days out there that I don't see it should hurt you that much.

That's exactly why I support Ladies days.

[007XX]

flame could never be initmidating unless she really wanted to anyway. She is waay to luffly!

Ain't she just?

The same can be said for the Likes of Keystone19 and Nicksta...these ladies have a serious racing experience and capacities, and I'd take lessons from them any day.

Then again, DMNTD is a pretty good teacher I know he helped me heaps during my track day!

Ah, he's just pissed cos he got married not long ago, and his darling missus knows what he gets (got?) up to around a bunch of leather-clad wimmin...she has applied the RuleOfThumb

Now, I understand...so I guess offering to give him a leather clad at the moment wouldn't really help, uh?

That's exactly why I support Ladies days.

[DMNTD:Me]

Reckon ya should exclude the ones not having sex...

[007XX]

Yahoo!! I'm safe based on that criteria...

Mind you, it's not that stupid a suggestion, given that accumulation of testosterone (from not gettin' any) will create an accumulation in aggressive behaviour, and general dushbag attitude...

From my very scientific Strumpet observation anyway...