Legalise Crystal Meth?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Mm, yes. Personally, I find that I can be creative when stoned, but I tend to just grow hugely intellectually lazy. I don't smoke weed when I know I have stuff to do later in the day.
Those who've been around me when I'm baked and they're not describe me as growing apparently simpler, using shorter words, and disappearing into my own quiet little world.

Funny... ppl (even close friends) can't even tell when I've been smoking... perhaps your body chemistry is different to mine???.... Nah!.. couldn't be.

I find it more enjoyable and useful as an emotionally-balancing form of recreation than drinking alcohol, but it's certainly not something I could operate on a daily basis with!

I would never recommend that someone who has trouble with their emotions, should use weed... that's how bipolar or schizoids get fucked up.

I would also point out that I wouldn't consider flyingcrocodile's example of doing trig to work out roof truss lengths and cut angles to be the sort of effort that's difficult to undertake stoned. Relatively straightforward, single-level tasks like that don't present much difficulty. What I find I have trouble with is complex, multi-layered, intersecting matters that involve keeping different things balanced in my mind at the same time and modelling their interaction.

... you obviously didn't read what you typed up above dude... cause you appear to be contradicting yourself big time. Kinda makes me suspect that you don't actually know what's involved in the exercise ("single level" - my arse, especially if (as you say) ppl assess you as simpler and withdrawn when stoned and you claim that "it's certainly not something I could operate on a daily basis with!". Lol... Nice troll dude.

Unfortunately, as a programmer, almost all of my paying work requires such activity, rather than a straightforward one-at-a-time approach to tasks, so I don't have the luxury of being able to remain productive under the influence of cannabis.

LMAO... are you under the influence now..?.. or is it just too much Tui's?

I believe responsible law-abiding adults should be allowed to put whatever they wish into their bodies, but all psychoactive substances deserve respect and research before being used recreationally. It's unfortunate that the average drug user tends to fall short of that bar.

Keep on toking dude... don't you listen to those head shrinks.. Lol

[jrandom]

LMAO... are you under the influence now..?.. or is it just too much Tui's?

You seem kinda angry about something.



I wasn't trolling, you know, and yes, in my opinion, working out angles and lengths of roof trusses isn't a complicated job. No offense meant to your profession, Mr Builder Man. As I read it, we both commented that the same thing presented us little difficulty when stoned, and I expanded my comments to describe stuff that I did have difficulty with. Where's the aggravation in that?

And as far as your affect not changing under the influence goes, maybe you just ain't smokin' good enough shit.



Want some brownies next time I make a batch?

[SixPackBack]

Its surprising to me that individuals abilities, perceptions and attitudes are affected so differently.

Until reading this thread the impression has always been that most ofus had a similar experience. Clearly this is not so.

Even more reason for the drug issue to be controlled by the medical profession. This is far to complex an issue for the Police to deal with or the gubermunt to 'lump' users into the same category.

[flyingcrocodile46]

And as far as your affect not changing under the influence goes, maybe you just ain't smokin' good enough shit.

Want some brownies next time I make a batch?

LoL... A bake off challenge.... Sounds like it's time to get my Pound cake recipe out.

[rickjames]

I think not.

The system does not work, is based on American law and order and is ready for change. I advocate complete legalisation of all drugs and compounds not to please the druggies, but to highlight those that need help and


""""" cannot come forward at the moment for fear of prison time."""""""

Drug addiction is a medical issue NOT a law and order issue

Extremely uneducated paranoic non true bull shit reason for drugs to be legalised. Stoner yabber. I thought you were clean...

I'm all for legalising but dont expect to be taken seriously with bull shit reasons. Freedom of choice is mine.

Millions an millions of dollars each year of your taxes goes to helping those who have issues with drugs or people they / drugs affect.

Come one man! Theres signwritten / labelled / in the phone book clinics sponsored by DHB's every where in wellington.

Are you accusing them of sharing privilged information with police? It would a be illegal unless someone was going to die, and inadmissable in court.

Stop being a paranoid (ex)stoner

[SixPackBack]

Extremely uneducated paranoic non true bull shit reason for drugs to be legalised. Stoner yabber. I thought you were clean...

Untrue on all accounts rickjames. Firstly our system is based very heavily on the American system, secondly it does not work as can be attested by experts far more educated than you and I [if you had bothered to read the entire thread..look here]
I am clean and really could not care less what you or any one else on here thinks.

I'm all for legalising but dont expect to be taken seriously with bull shit reasons. Freedom of choice is mine.

Gosh really in depth reasoning, we can see you have covered all the angles.

Millions an millions of dollars each year of your taxes goes to helping those who have issues with drugs or people they / drugs affect.

True and many of those millions goes to the Police/courts and corrections. Like I pointed out previously, had you bothered to read the entire thread advocacy of redistribution of said millions to the health department [where the money belongs] is the only logical progression current drug laws can make.

Your first post rickjames wasted leading a personal attack. Come again

[scumdog]

One network news tonight.

Alcohol as bad as drugs say experts
Feb 23, 2008 7:07 PM
New Zealand's drug laws are under review and international experts are challenging the government to make changes based on fact not fear.

Delegates at a top level conference Flame away!

"Top level conference" - WTF is that?

"The forum says" - what forum, KB? agh!

"Doug Sellman, a drug researcher" - HOW does he research drugs?

"Professor David Nutt an international drug expert" Mwhahaha! what qualifications does HE have?

I like the last comment the '....and acceptable is very sobering' bit, good pun.

[Ixion]

Its surprising to me that individuals abilities, perceptions and attitudes are affected so differently.

Until reading this thread the impression has always been that most ofus had a similar experience. Clearly this is not so.

Even more reason for the drug issue to be controlled by the medical profession. This is far to complex an issue for the Police to deal with or the gubermunt to 'lump' users into the same category.

I can't speak for P, I've never tried it, and don't intend to.

But I do know , that when I tried tobacco and maruijana, years ago, neither of them did anything whatsoever to or for me. While others smoked the weed and went all spaced out, I sat there thinking "OK, what's this supposed to do then". Gave up trying after a few attempts, waste of time. yet I know other people would go off to lala land after a single puff.

Similarly tobacco, never did anything whatsoever, might as well have hung over a garden bonfire. Stopped after a month or so, no effects the either.

So those two do differ from person to person

And we all know that some folk can knock the booze back in vast quantities , and never show a sign of it, whilst others are tiddley on half a glass of wine.

[inlinefour]

Anyone who thinks it would be a good idea to legalise this shit is a moron (not mormon ) or is wanting to get a easier, cheaper, quality supply for his/her personal habit.
Scumdog and the such have no doubt seen the ugly side of drugs and I can say that I have also from working in a inpatient psych ward.
On the subject of legalising cannabis. Anyone who is talking about medicinal use, I can say that I have had a couple of doctors say that they think I could seriously benefit from it. However, thankfully for me as I do not like what it does to my head, it must be injested and not inhaled. I do not know if it will ever become legal in NZ to be prescribed. If it was I suspect I'd give it a go as I know my liver would appreciate it alot more than the current lot of pills I take.
Carver, what on Earth was you thinking when you started this thread? I can't be arsed reading through the whole thing as I'm about to watch the first round of WSB and Corser has pole...

[carver]

Anyone who thinks it would be a good idea to legalise this shit is a moron (not mormon ) or is wanting to get a easier, cheaper, quality supply for his/her personal habit.
Scumdog and the such have no doubt seen the ugly side of drugs and I can say that I have also from working in a inpatient psych ward.
On the subject of legalising cannabis. Anyone who is talking about medicinal use, I can say that I have had a couple of doctors say that they think I could seriously benefit from it. However, thankfully for me as I do not like what it does to my head, it must be injested and not inhaled. I do not know if it will ever become legal in NZ to be prescribed. If it was I suspect I'd give it a go as I know my liver would appreciate it alot more than the current lot of pills I take.
Carver, what on Earth was you thinking when you started this thread? I can't be arsed reading through the whole thing as I'm about to watch the first round of WSB and Corser has pole...

WSB eh..
i just wanted to gauge the publics perception of drugs and to what extent the media influences it.
its also about what people see as a solution.

[SixPackBack]

Yeah still got my head in the sand

Oh dear scumdog. I fear regardless of what anyone says you will steadfastly remain uneducated.

Carver, what on Earth was you thinking when you started this thread? I can't be arsed reading through the whole thing as I'm about to watch the first round of WSB and Corser has pole...

You should get bothered inline, has been an illuminating thread, almost free from abuse [given the sensitivity of the topic]

[inlinefour]

Oh dear scumdog. I fear regardless of what anyone says you will steadfastly remain uneducated.



You should get bothered inline, has been an illuminating thread, almost free from abuse [given the sensitivity of the topic]

So remind me, what are we doing here again?

Meh, Supersport is now showing, maybe later...

[scumdog]

Oh dear scumdog. I fear regardless of what anyone says you will steadfastly remain uneducated.



You should get bothered inline, has been an illuminating thread, almost free from abuse [given the sensitivity of the topic]

Funny how I can't remember posting THAT on this thread - musta been drunk at the time or something...or is somebody abusing me???

[carver]

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You should get bothered inline, has been an illuminating thread, almost free from abuse [given the sensitivity of the topic]

you should read some of my PM's and reps...
plenty of abuse here....
not that it bothers me

[SixPackBack]

Funny how I can't remember posting THAT on this thread - musta been drunk at the time or something...or is somebody abusing me???

Sorry scumdog if I have offended you. Don't stop posting. [please!]

you should read some of my PM's and reps...
plenty of abuse here....
not that it bothers me

1 negative rep,19 positive reps and 2 abusive PM's. Thats my score so far.
Abusive PM's are from people who have not read the whole thread. [And are very possibly alter ego's]