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    Question Turn right fright

    Had a bit of a moment yesterday afternoon, and I'd like to hear what you'd have done in my place....

    Heading for home in no rush at 4:30pm, good daylight, road damp after a shower so I'm taking it steady. Approaching my driveway is a straight, medium grade downhill for about 200 metres, and it's a right turn into the drive. About 40 metres after my place, also on the right, is a side road that I cannot see down due to hedging. The sun was behind me but neither too bright nor low, so I can be seen well.

    Cruising up to turn in I clock a red Integra or similar has appeared 150 metres back in my mirrors. No worries, I'm indicating and also flash my brake light a few times so he can see I'm braking.

    It often happens that someone will turn left out of the side road and head up towards me when turning in. Sure enough an innocent white cage does this, so I brake a bit more so it can clear past me and I can turn after it.

    Sadly my mirrors tell me that Integra boy has no intention of slowing down. This is a dead end residential street with a 50kmh limit, but 70 is the norm for many numbskulls and he's doing all of that. So things developed quite quickly.

    At this stage I see my options as:
    1. Hold my position close to the centre line, wait for the white cage to clear and hope Integra boy doesn't clean me out from behind.
    2. Try and nip into my driveway sharpish, avoiding the two obstacles already parked on it and risking a low side on the greasy surface in front of the white cage.
    3. Come off the brakes, stay central, nip down to the side road, turn right into that, then come back up for a left turn into home.

    I can think of an option 4, which I would have done on my treadlie much earlier in the game: pull over to the left, let them both clear and then turn in. Wearing lycra I never turn right into my drive if there is a cage following me as the road just isn't wide enough for comfort. But I had already committed to my road position so couldn't head to the kerb without getting T-boned by Integra boy.

    Option 2 seemed too high risk for a spill and possibly splat. Option 3 would make me unpredictable to Integra boy.

    So I opted to stay put, balancing it to make myself as small as possible and not putting a foot down to be removed. So I ended up between two moving cages, one of which was doing around 60-70kmh about 50 cm off my left bar end. Not a huge amount of space for him between me and the kerb, but at least he made it.

    It put the wind up me a bit I can tell you. I turned in, parked up and immediately wished I'd gunned it down after him and given him a piece of my mind. I'm glad I didn't: a respectful chat would be more useful but I was in no mind set for one at the time.

    Putting myself in his shoes, it's possible he thought I was indicating for the side road and that the sun from behind made my brake light (and maybe indicator) difficult to make out. He probably had a moment himself when he realised he was going to shave through the gap.

    So what would you have done in my place? And if (more like when) I see it developing again, what would you recommend? I'm now favouring option 3. The option I chose puts far too much faith in the skills of someone I've never met for me to like it much. Option 2 puts too much faith in my own! Option 4 is a pain in the arse!

    Cheers - Chasio

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    You chose the correct option, both for your own safety and for remaining predictable to other road users. I hope the Integra driver did give himself a fright.
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    i would have probably done what you did. I would have been seriously thinking about carrying on to the next intersection though. Sounds like you did a good job of making sure that you were aware of everything around you.

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    I agree that you did well to stay put and be predictable.

    How much road was there straight ahead?

    Option 5 might be to come off the brakes, take off straight and pull over left after getting a reasonable gap back to the Integra. Certainly if it'd been a truck too wide to fit through the gap you wouldn't want to stay put.

    Kudos to you for checking your mirrors. I had a similar situation on the bicycle a while back except no car approaching from the front. I was just to the left of the centre line with my arm sticking out to indicate a right turn and this stupid prick comes screaming through at a rate of knots on my right! If I'd not done a head check just before turning I'd have been a hood ornament for sure.
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    +1 for staying put or getting back on the gas once you were in the situation.

    But....

    I never move close to the centre line while turning right if the road isn't wide enough for someone behind to pass safely on the left. As I'm slowing I will hold the lane so they don't get any silly ideas about trying it.

    That always leaves me the option of gassing it if the person behind just plain hasn't seen me.

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    Brake....your indicator is on etc, if he knocks you off it's his fault.

    i probably would have kept going to the road futher down on the right....then turned around and come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post
    Brake....your indicator is on etc, if he knocks you off it's his fault.
    Which is a wonderful response if you are in the hospital/morgue. "I'm fucked, but at least it was his fault."
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    Too slow, Chicken Marengo!

    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post

    How much road was there straight ahead?

    Option 5 might be to come off the brakes, take off straight and pull over left after getting a reasonable gap back to the Integra. Certainly if it'd been a truck too wide to fit through the gap you wouldn't want to stay put.
    About 60 meters straight ahead, the road angles 30 degrees to the left (enough to be pretty blind as well) so about 20 meters after the side road on the right. Thinking about it, that might have made heading for the side road a bad idea, too. Hmmm....

    I'm probably not fast enough to try option 5! Think GN250 speed...

    Good point about the truck: I probably would have been cleaned out. If it's ever a truck-sized thing I'll plan to head for the side road as soon as I realize he's on my 6.

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    And I'm still too slow!

    Quote Originally Posted by discotex View Post
    I never move close to the centre line while turning right if the road isn't wide enough for someone behind to pass safely on the left. As I'm slowing I will hold the lane so they don't get any silly ideas about trying it.

    That always leaves me the option of gassing it if the person behind just plain hasn't seen me.
    Cheers. Not a bad idea - assert my right to the road and all that BUT have a get out clause for a no brain cager. When I have a proper bike I might try it, for now I probably don't have the get up and go!

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    And thanks to everyone for all the replies, I am learning all the time and it definitely helps to get your feedback! I'll try to stop spamming the thread now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasio View Post
    It put the wind up me a bit I can tell you. I turned in, parked up and immediately wished I'd gunned it down after him and given him a piece of my mind. I'm glad I didn't: a respectful chat would be more useful but I was in no mind set for one at the time.
    I can't figure out what he did wrong exactly? Apart from going a wee bit quick, big deal? The story, as I read it, was "I thought he was going to hit me, he didn't because he obviously saw me, happy days". What did the Integra driver do to upset you so much?

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    from my perpective. what the intergra driver did wrong..

    At best, he was inconsiderate to other road users for a very minimal gain in getting to his destination any quicker.

    At worst, he was not paying attention and got lucky.

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    Yep, I think he wasn't paying attention and got lucky.

    Soul Trader, I think painting me as "upset so much" is rather missing the point. It put the shits up me at the time. And I understand he missed me, that's why I am not in hospital.

    Today I am reflecting on it. My objective in posting this is to learn from an uncomfortable experience and try not to put myself in the same situation again. I'm a newbie, after all.

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    its a good attitude to have. There is increasing attitude round here that people should HTFU and not worry about what others are doing. And then continue to say "oh well it is alright as long as your insured."

    It does pay to look after yourself out there and do complain if something is not to your liking........

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyz View Post
    its a good attitude to have. There is increasing attitude round here that people should HTFU and not worry about what others are doing. And then continue to say "oh well it is alright as long as your insured."

    It does pay to look after yourself out there and do complain if something is not to your liking........
    am with you on this one Cowboyz .. it could have turned out so differently for Oscarnz earlier this week when she was rear ended by a logging truck ..

    luck was definately on her side .. thank gawd .. I prob would have taken the same action as you chasio ..
    Have to Karma ... Justice catches up eventually !!

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