Ducati might beat Cagiva to the punch

**NordieBoy** · 11th March 2008, 06:39

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

Oh yeah. That was weird.

Hopefully they'll see sense and put in a balancer shaft like everyone else.

But they'd need to add a balancer whereas the 2nd cylinder balancer uses pretty much existing bits.
And worked really well.

**Arven** · 11th March 2008, 06:50

Or they could just leave it Lumpy like a big MX bike!

**Pwalo** · 11th March 2008, 06:55

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

One article was in Italian, the other in Dutch. The Italian article quoted the power output as 120CV!!! (pretty much 120HP)

Well I guess you'll be rebuilding that sucker every 20 hours running time or so then.

Nice for racing, but a waste of time for the street.

**xwhatsit** · 11th March 2008, 09:14

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

Oh yeah. That was weird.

Hopefully they'll see sense and put in a balancer shaft like everyone else.

Why's that? As much as I like a real jack-hammer single, it probably needs a balancer of some sort to keep everybody happy, including the frame. Chain/gear-driven balancers are a crappy old-fashioned solution wot sap a lot of horses. From what people said about the ghost cylinder, it was much more efficient. The only problem is that it doesn't really look like a proper thumper, does it? I suppose you've got all that plastic shit covering it.

**Atomic** · 11th March 2008, 14:23

At long last, I know what I am creating! I have been working on a project and now know that it is to be a Supermono!

x1 1998 RS250 with dead engine
x1 2007 RMZ450 thumper
Combine and create an Aprilia RS450 Supermono

It might see the road every now and then but will usually be used for track days.

**limbimtimwim** · 11th March 2008, 16:46

Originally Posted by xerxesdaphat

Why's that? As much as I like a real jack-hammer single, it probably needs a balancer of some sort to keep everybody happy, including the frame. Chain/gear-driven balancers are a crappy old-fashioned solution wot sap a lot of horses. From what people said about the ghost cylinder, it was much more efficient. The only problem is that it doesn't really look like a proper thumper, does it? I suppose you've got all that plastic shit covering it.

I imagine it weighs a bit more than doing a balancer shaft.

I had no idea it actually worked well. I assumed it was Ducati's usual resistance to redesigning their engines (Probably brought on by them not knowing if there would be money next month, so they are still penny pinchers) since they seem to hold on to designs for as long as they possibly can.

**jcupit69** · 11th March 2008, 18:38

Originally Posted by Atomic

At long last, I know what I am creating! I have been working on a project and now know that it is to be a Supermono!

x1 1998 RS250 with dead engine
x1 2007 RMZ450 thumper
Combine and create an Aprilia RS450 Supermono

It might see the road every now and then but will usually be used for track days.

I think iv seen something like this around, you tube maybe??? Or somewhere like that theres a rs with a 450 engine in it.....i'll go have a look see if i can find a link........

**hospitalfood** · 11th March 2008, 18:53

looks like the muffler stops short of the rear wheel.?

**enigma51** · 11th March 2008, 18:57

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

One article was in Italian, the other in Dutch. The Italian article quoted the power output as 120CV!!! (pretty much 120HP)

Not a chance in hell it will produce 120 your top 600c 4 cyclinder just get there if you lucky

**Coyote** · 11th March 2008, 19:25

Dream listed

**Hillbilly** · 13th March 2008, 04:27

This is apparently what Ducati are really afraid of - it's the KTM RC4:

**ital916** · 13th March 2008, 05:48

The question is will these two weigh in at what a 500cc bike should cost, or are consumers gonna have to pay for the italian tag with a huge markup. A feasible option if not, but if they are too expensive....600 supersports would look far more attractive price-wise. Not aesthetically though cos that ducati is sex on wheels.

**SixPackBack** · 13th March 2008, 05:58

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

One article was in Italian, the other in Dutch. The Italian article quoted the power output as 120CV!!! (pretty much 120HP)

Even supercharged they would be pushing the envelope. Latest AMCN qoutes the KTM690 at 46KW [61HP], I'm picking the Ducati would be no more than 60HP in road trim. Given the weight this is unlikely to be the road rocket we could have hoped for.

**Atomic** · 13th March 2008, 06:29

MX 450s are putting out between 50 and 60hp in stock trim but could be tuned to more. 250 smoker gp bikes put out over 100 horsies. I guess 120hp is acheivable with that size engine but reliability would be the issue.