SMC Call To Arms: Further bike parking removal by Council/ARTA

**2wheeljunkie** · 13th March 2008, 19:46

man this is soo bullshit..

.i know im a little late on the angry replys but seriously..u think they would take care of us as we provide them with fees and such..but no..they go and fuck us...wateva happens im down with the club for wateva action peaceful/not so peaceful...(good job to those so far who have done so much work on this; steve, andrew, etc..)

..and if u need to me to do anethin juz txt me aight...

**motorbyclist** · 13th March 2008, 19:58

Originally Posted by HungusMaximist

You want the rest of us to hassle him on the hour?

Let us know aye, but then again since your the PREZ of the club, your words will have more depth/substance than the words comming outta our wee mortal mouths

well, now i've gone and gotten the ball well and truly rolling, i think i'll take a more relaxed role as i fear i risk stepping on stephens feet

still willing to do my bit, but with instruction rather than doubling up with what stephen is simultaneously doing. we really need to be organised with this one if we're going to get any plans changed at the last minute, if that is even possible

**motorbyclist** · 13th March 2008, 20:04

Originally Posted by bomma

who trains the civl engineers in this country?? i mean seriously where do they get their qualifications from?!?!! lets see so they fobbed off alfred st and said that they would open up parks on symonds st and as far as i can understand this plan had already been accepted at that point.... i think we just got

that's not their doing, it'll be the architect who drew the pretty picture of symonds street without those unsightly motorcycles and parked cars about combined with the ACC for not bothering to put in the parking. the engineers just make the plans from the pretty pictures

Originally Posted by 2wheeljunkie

and if u need to me to do anethin juz txt me aight...

have a look at that plan and see if you can find more than 40m of parking. remember to exclude the trees and their roots.

i want to be sure we're being screwed before making a total ass of us

**ital916** · 13th March 2008, 20:10

This is really grinding my gears now, sounds like the uni pulled a a bit of wool over our eyes. Ill have a look at the plans andrew and see what they are proposing.

**ital916** · 13th March 2008, 20:27

Okay so I have read over the plans on the project website. For the university upgrades, all it states on the plans are two small spots where motorcycle parking will be. For the rest of symonds street I was unable to find any reference whatsoever to motocycke parking. I know that there is one on st paul street, luckily it doesn't seem they are going to touch that but there is only space enough for twelve or so bikes. The plans state refer to engineering drawings for the motorcycle parking, where can we peruse those drawings as I would very much like to have a look. It's a long shot bu the drawings put up on the symonds street parking might not be accurate and where it says there will be motorcycle parking, there will actually be quite a bit. I reckon though a look at the engineering drawing s would be good.

**Ixion** · 13th March 2008, 20:42

I have looked at the plans on the ACC website. They are pretty useless, all they show is trees. And as you say a couple of motorcycle parks.

BUT - I think those planes were drawn up BEFORE Alfred St was closed - they speak of doing that in the future.

So I wonder if they have included on the plans the motorcycle parking that was in Symonds St before the Alfred St closure, but not the parking that was put in place to replace Alfred St. Which it is *possible* (maybe) it is intended to retain ?

**Squiggles** · 13th March 2008, 20:45

Originally Posted by bomma

who trains the civl engineers in this country?? i mean seriously where do they get their qualifications from?!?!! lets see so they fobbed off alfred st and said that they would open up parks on symonds st and as far as i can understand this plan had already been accepted at that point.... i think we just got

We're still waiting for the fountains and planter boxes on alfred... but all we got is 5x the buses

We shall see what tomorrow brings...

**motorbyclist** · 13th March 2008, 22:09

Originally Posted by Drider87

I reckon though a look at the engineering drawing s would be good.

yeah i still haven't had the chance to properly look for them.... maybe later tonight

i don't know if your screen displays it, but i printed it out and the parking was white whereas the "planting" was light greay

**motorbyclist** · 13th March 2008, 22:26

Originally Posted by Ixion

I have looked at the plans on the ACC website. They are pretty useless, all they show is trees. And as you say a couple of motorcycle parks.

BUT - I think those planes were drawn up BEFORE Alfred St was closed - they speak of doing that in the future.

So I wonder if they have included on the plans the motorcycle parking that was in Symonds St before the Alfred St closure, but not the parking that was put in place to replace Alfred St. Which it is *possible* (maybe) it is intended to retain ?

well then why haven't they updated the given plans?

my searches so far for additional drawings have been largely unsuccessful

i suspect the extra drawings may just be the standards used for the different components (like how deep to plant the tree, gravel/weedmat application etc etc)

**Ixion** · 13th March 2008, 22:30

I think this is so. The drawings I have seen are those needed by the people who will do the actual construction . Where the trees are to go, the busstops etc. The question of whether motorcycles are to be allowed to park along the road is probably not one that the construction people are interested in. We do not need anything constructed, just permission, by and large.

So perhaps the plans showed the motorcycle parking that was there when they were drawn up, just as landmarks. But did not show any new parking because there was nothing for the construction crews to do regarding it. Perhaps.

As to why they have not been updated - well, it would certainly not be the first time an engineering drawing was out of date !

**motorbyclist** · 13th March 2008, 22:48

what about the bits referring to a "planting" drawing?

**Ixion** · 13th March 2008, 22:54

I have no idea. What I want to see is a plan of what the finished thing will look like, with parking (or non parking) shown.

**Ixion** · 13th March 2008, 22:57

My other thought is that these are not really engineers drawings they are more workmens' drawings. One does not chnage or meddle lightly with an engineers plans , but it is common for construction crews to vary the construction from the drawing. Landscaping is less restrictive than engineering. So whatever they show at present can probably be changed without too much difficulty.

**motorbyclist** · 14th March 2008, 00:27

Originally Posted by Ixion

My other thought is that these are not really engineers drawings they are more workmens' drawings. One does not chnage or meddle lightly with an engineers plans , but it is common for construction crews to vary the construction from the drawing. Landscaping is less restrictive than engineering. So whatever they show at present can probably be changed without too much difficulty.

right, the official plan of attack for tomorrow is for me to chase up the development manager while squiggles has the meeting with unsafe.

then squiggles will be able to ask about the future of parking and what can/cannot be done

emails will be sent out to club members with news of what exactly is happening

we all go up to strata for a well-earned beer

sounds like a plan, and as per all SMC plans it's being made within 12 hours of the actual event