Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[White trash]

Nope, that's what the pissants who whined about being beaten by motards wanted.

And yes, if a road bike is eligible to race in motard then let it race; haven't you seen what yanks do with RD400's? Flat trackers are fucking great motards!

As for putting my hand up, read the post; I have served 2 years at the highest level. What have you and others done?

Will I put my hand up again? I just fucking might, in fact I might start a campaign to scrap MNZ altogether and start anew with something rational and impartial for a change.

Pissants? Because they wanted to have a say in their rules?

From what you're saying, you'd change the rules back and have three quaters of the field leave, essentially creating another motard class.

Getting a bit ranty now aren't we? Might be time to put the bottle away.

[jrandom]

There are more than enough classes for Motards, more in fact at Wanganui than road race classes.

Agreed.

The amount of 'tard racing at Wangavegas constituted a yawnfest. In the end it was little more than a good reason to wander around and find a better viewing point before the next real bike race started.

And, seriously, what was up with that dirt section? Folk don't go to the Boxing Day roadraces to watch bloody motocrossing.

What I would love to see is more motards mixing it up on the track with traditional racebikes. Are the concerns about safety due to the different ways they ride into and out of corners really justified?

[idleidolidyll]

I half see your point III but you do have to remember that the rules were changed for F3 at the request of the competitors.

There are more than enough classes for Motards, more in fact at Wanganui than road race classes.

So who's actually hard done by?

No, they were changed for SOME of the riders. The rule change almost cut fields in half and was a ridiculous piece of jealousy thinly disguised as 'safety' (bullshit).

[idleidolidyll]

Pissants? Because they wanted to have a say in their rules?

From what you're saying, you'd change the rules back and have three quaters of the field leave, essentially creating another motard class.

Getting a bit ranty now aren't we? Might be time to put the bottle away.

I see, so you want to keep jappas winning even though they are not the best bikes on the track. Change the rules to keep jappas on top: fukkin hilarious!

If the motards were winning, they deserved it every bit as much as in line 400's did 10 years ago when they took over the class, every bit as much as jappa 2 strokes did when they started winning F2 etc 'back then'. Changing the rules to keep one type of bike at the top is peurile and smacks of jealousy, small mindedness or sucking up to sponsors dollars.

[idleidolidyll]

Agreed.

The amount of 'tard racing at Wangavegas constituted a yawnfest. In the end it was little more than a good reason to wander around and find a better viewing point before the next real bike race started.

And, seriously, what was up with that dirt section? Folk don't go to the Boxing Day roadraces to watch bloody motocrossing.

What I would love to see is more motards mixing it up on the track with traditional racebikes. Are the concerns about safety due to the different ways they ride into and out of corners really justified?

who needs the dirt part?

I don't. In fact I don't give a damn about it and wouldn't enter a pukka motard race.

However, my old 640 KTM regularly left litre sport bikes sulking in its wake on the road and as a road race bike; it deserved the chance to strut it's stuff.

A whole bunch of motards winning and dominating a field is exactly NO DIFFERENT to seeing a bunch of Yamazookis always winning F1.

The real yawnfest is watching the same boring jappas over and over again.

Best sport of all is watching Stephen Briggs fuck them up for 2 or 3 laps on the Superduke, sliding and spinning a ROAD BIKE the way the best riders in the world can.

[jrandom]

... sucking up to sponsors dollars.

Sponsors keeping motards out of F3? I doubt that this is the case. What sponsors are there that give a flying fuck about whether 400s, 650s or motards are winning?

If the motards are winning, that's what they'll put their stickers on.

I just don't see the motivation. The 400s are all ancient shitheaps that are being expensively rebuilt year by year, not 'win on Sunday, sell on Monday' bikes like the ones that race in F1 and F2, so I don't imagine that much of the small amount of 'official' attention that's available in this country from Suzondasakihaha is given to the IL4s in F3.

The only motivation I see for keeping motards out of F3 comes from the riders.

[idleidolidyll]

The only motivation I see for keeping motards out of F3 comes from the riders.

Before the new rules kicked them out, F3 was almost half motard. Now it's a fucking bore again full of expensive outdated crap.
The 'riders' with the biggest whines won the day and motorcycle racing in NZ lost.

As for sponsors keeping motards out of F3, you're reading what you want to see and not what I wrote. MNZ has always sucked up to the sponsors and it has never been transparent. How else did those 'production' wire wheel katanas ever get away with burgling proddy races way back then?
Suzuki Japan never produced the 120HP wire wheels; they were a cheat from start to finish and should have been banned and their results nullified. They weren't of course, wonder why?

[Goblin]

I half see your point III but you do have to remember that the rules were changed for F3 at the request of the competitors.

So which competitors requested this? I bet it wasn't any of the Motard riders.

There are more than enough classes for Motards, more in fact at Wanganui than road race classes.

So who's actually hard done by?

Well I felt a wee bit hard done by when the Motards were excluded from F3.

Agreed....


What I would love to see is more motards mixing it up on the track with traditional racebikes. Are the concerns about safety due to the different ways they ride into and out of corners really justified?

I dont believe they are justified. It's more to do with roadracing bike riders being humiliated by being beaten by chookchasers. I have raced with Motards, watched from my flag point and seen hours of footage of street and road racing. Motards only take different lines when they're passing other bikes. Exactly the same as any other bikes.

[HDTboy]

I signed the petition to remove motards from F3 after being pushed extremely wide going around one exiting the last corner at Manfeild, and nearly collecting the end of the pit wall.

[flame]

who needs the dirt part?

I don't. In fact I don't give a damn about it and wouldn't enter a pukka motard race.

However, my old 640 KTM regularly left litre sport bikes sulking in its wake on the road and as a road race bike; it deserved the chance to strut it's stuff.

A whole bunch of motards winning and dominating a field is exactly NO DIFFERENT to seeing a bunch of Yamazookis always winning F1.

The real yawnfest is watching the same boring jappas over and over again.

Best sport of all is watching Stephen Briggs fuck them up for 2 or 3 laps on the Superduke, sliding and spinning a ROAD BIKE the way the best riders in the world can.

um....sorry to butt in, but it seems your arguement is more about race bike style rather than bike brand or origen.

Dont get me wrong, I LOVE BEARs, and would have to agree that Sound Of Thunder 2008 was the best ever race meeting Ive raced at. And watching Briggsy is pretty dam cool! But there are Jappa motards as well, and there are also BEARS sportsbikes in the front bunch of most F2 and Supersport races. So not quite sure what your gripe is here? (Jappa,v BEARs, bla bla bla)

Anyhoo....as ya were

[Robert Taylor]

Idle, keep the eye patch on your good eye. You obviously dont want to see what has probably been the best Nationals season of racing we have had for many years. It is on TVOne on April 20th for those interested.

Its always fascinating how some use expletives very zealously to get their point across. I am just as guilty of occassionally using such words but do so with regulation. Its a shame how the English language has now been so bastardised.

[Goblin]

I signed the petition to remove motards from F3 after being pushed extremely wide going around one exiting the last corner at Manfeild, and nearly collecting the end of the pit wall.

But that could have occurred with any bike. I ran wide in turn one at a PMCC race and nearly took out a few riders so should ZXR400s be excluded too??

[jrandom]

I ran wide in turn one at a PMCC race...

Ban female racers!

[flame]

Ban female racers!

Just coz YOUR to chicken shit to come get your arse whipped by us

[HDTboy]

But that could have occurred with any bike. I ran wide in turn one at a PMCC race and nearly took out a few riders so should ZXR400s be excluded too??

Were you going sideways trying to put power down?

Ban female racers!

What he said!