Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[idleidolidyll]

um....sorry to butt in, but it seems your arguement is more about racing style rather than bike brand or origen.

Dont get me wrong, I LOVE BEARs, and would have to agree that Sound Of Thunder 2008 was the best ever race meeting Ive raced at. And watching Briggsy is pretty dam cool! But there are Jappa motards as well, and there are also BEARS sportsbikes in the front bunch of most F2 and Supersport races. So not quite sure what your gripe is here?

Nope, please go back and read it all.

It's about MNZ turning racing into a joke. I'd be happy to see a Honda motard kick arse, or a hotted up Yammy MT03 teach F3 racers a lesson etc. It's not about style; it's about rules designed to pander to some at the expense of others.

As I said, if I wanted to ride a Yammy MT03 because my back is welded together at 3 vertebrae, I couldn't race it in F3 because the stupid rule against handlebars above 900mm prevents me. Same goes for the KTM 690 Duke.

Both are road bikes and definitely NOT motards or off road bikes.

It's not about style or any one dumb rule, it's about decades of MNZ 'group think' that keeps them as closed minded as ever.

Again: the Formula classes were originally designed to increase diversity but MNZ's Formula class rules reduce it.

Bring back proper proddy racing and let the manufacturers wank over those but don't let them steal the Formula classes where enterprising Kiwi racers used to be able to build race bikes from anything and created a spectacle for us all to see and enjoy.

Remember, the Britten started out as a Ducati engine in a home made frame (Mike Brosnan's MK1 Britten the Aero de Zero): the very essence of the formula classes!

[Ivan]

No, they were changed for SOME of the riders. The rule change almost cut fields in half and was a ridiculous piece of jealousy thinly disguised as 'safety' (bullshit).

Nothing has said these bikes ant race they just need to modify there bikes to suit the rules eg make clipon bars etc.
Rule Change cutting fieldsin half??? Id like to see were at Vic Club after the rule change the F3 Field was over subscribed and classes like street stock had to be bummped from riding in it because the fields were to big.

Having raced with Motards,
I raced my RS125 in a F3 race and a motard came past it aint a nice feeling having a guy on the outside of you with his bars rubbing on your shoulder!
The rules are rules
Rules are for safety!

In my very few years of racing Ive been at meetings were riders have died and clubs need to develop rules after each oneof these incidents to make it safer.

And calling guysPissants aint gonna get your point across most guys would just think your a aragent dickhead not saying you are just you need to change the way you speak about people its not political at all.

If trying to get your point across on this site I have found using words toabuse riders eg Fuckwit etc doesnt normally help and people see that and say well Im not reading this prats thread

[jrandom]

Just coz YOUR to chicken shit to come get your arse whipped by us

Just you wait, sunshine. I have a perfectly good racebike that I may just decide not to sell this year.

The Snail ain't good for nowt but Clubmans, though. Maybe MNZ should start a separate SRAD 750 class?

[idleidolidyll]

I signed the petition to remove motards from F3 after being pushed extremely wide going around one exiting the last corner at Manfeild, and nearly collecting the end of the pit wall.

and i've pushed riders wide when racing my ducati and been pushed wide by other bikes trying to keep me behind, i've been leaned on and slid into: that's called racing and it aint that they are motards, it's that they are BETTER riders and better race bikes and you just don't like it.

[Goblin]

Ban female racers!

Just coz YOUR to chicken shit to come get your arse whipped by us

You got that right chickie!!!

[Unit:Me]

Best sport of all is watching Stephen Briggs fuck them up for 2 or 3 laps on the Superduke, sliding and spinning a ROAD BIKE the way the best riders in the world can.

We bought the same Superduke Stephen rides with a view to more track days, and perhaps moving on to racing (agree re watching Stephen and the Superduke). That got swapped for the Brutale R, another upright naked. Sourcing all the information we can it still seems quite confusing as to what classes it would be best in. And, trialling on the track, couldnt keep up on the longer straights with the Jappas but hell, in the corners this thing more than keeps up. So does that deem it more dangerous because the corners is where these bikes come into their own?
It seems to me there is
a: A lot of knowledge here about the 'politics' of the sport, which of course is always subjective with fact tossed in, and issues I know nothing about
b: a much wider variety of bikes around these days, and newer classes of bikes becoming far more popular like the upright nakeds, and of course the motards now holding the publics attention more.
How old are the current establishment rules we are subject to?
Maybe it is time to bring it up to the current days climate if its not catering for what is popular today.

[merv]

Toby Summers did pretty good on his mere Jappa motard from what I remember.

Anyway enough of Bears vs Jappa, I am one that thinks leave the dirt bikes mainly on the dirt. I found the 'tards at Wanganui a right bore - 1 race maybe OK but not 2 classes and so many damn races.

However, watching dirt bikes on the dirt at the Legends of Dirt, now that was a good meeting but very poorly supported by the public. Geez we can't win eh!

I loved the Marlboro series too, but nothing we do seems to recreate it. People just have too many leisure choices these days, I think that is the issue so it takes something really special to generate the crowds.

Crikey even Rock 2 Wellington wasn't fully sold out from what I gather.

[HDTboy]

What other western country runs motards on the same track on the same day as road bikes? Let alone in the same race?

[FROSTY:Me]

Sorry Il but I also have an issue with motards in the formula classes.
The lines motards take are so radically different from road race lines it was literally an accident waiting to happen.
By radically I don't mean variations in individual style either.
The one clear exception was the guy out on a honda 650? single.
He took normal road race lines and other than the fact he had lean angles that had me totally stunned was a pleasure to ride against.
For the record the handlebar height rules DONT exclude nakeds.-most have sub 900mm bars.

[98tls]

Bring back proper proddy racing and let the manufacturers wank over those but don't let them steal the Formula classes where enterprising Kiwi racers used to be able to build race bikes from anything and created a spectacle for us all to see and enjoy.

Amen to that,to me anyway there the very essence of kiwi motorcycling,mind you ask the average kiwi what number 8 wire is these days and he will say it "plugs into the computer)

[Goblin]

Were you going sideways trying to put power down?

I wish! Ask Jill about it.

[idleidolidyll]

Nothing has said these bikes ant race they just need to modify there bikes to suit the rules eg make clipon bars etc.

I've got welded up vertebrae, why the fuck should I be forced to change my bike into something uncomfortable just because of a bunch of whiners pissed at losing?

Rule Change cutting fieldsin half??? Id like to see were at Vic Club after the rule change the F3 Field was over subscribed and classes like street stock had to be bummped from riding in it because the fields were to big.

Fucking great! That's what MNZ should AIM for! Classes so fucking big they have to run heats instead of miserable undersubscibed classes where one type of bike gets to write the rules to keep it at the top. Add those 30 motards and the class would be fucking awesome!

Having raced with Motards,
I raced my RS125 in a F3 race and a motard came past it aint a nice feeling having a guy on the outside of you with his bars rubbing on your shoulder!
The rules are rules
Rules are for safety!

Bullshit. That aint any different to having Robert Holden etc come screaming past you sliding the front into the corner and spinning the wheel out or watching Chris Haldane hoist his back wheel up in the air and wave it around a couple of feet as he used to do at Wanganui.
The guys who can do these things are just more skillful and they DESERVE to win.

In my very few years of racing Ive been at meetings were riders have died and clubs need to develop rules after each oneof these incidents to make it safer.

LOTS of us have been at races where people have died, that's racing and turning motrorcycling into PC bullshit is lying to yourself: it's a dangerous sport and we do it with that knowledge in mind. The final rule change in your scenario is that we turn into Switzerland where motorsport is banned because "it's too dangerous".

And calling guysPissants aint gonna get your point across most guys would just think your a aragent dickhead not saying you are just you need to change the way you speak about people its not political at all.

ya think i give a shit?

If trying to get your point across on this site I have found using words toabuse riders eg Fuckwit etc doesnt normally help and people see that and say well Im not reading this prats thread

ya think i give a shit?

[idleidolidyll]

For the record the handlebar height rules DONT exclude nakeds.-most have sub 900mm bars.

they exclude a lot of them; far too many. it's PC bullshit and so is the "they take different lines" whine.

I used different lines, radically different lines, on my mates Ducati F1 to clean up BEARs at Manfield and the WSB in 92'; nobody complained then. I learnt that from many people INCLUDING the current head of MNZ! That's what makes bike racing watchable; unlike boring F1 cars where they DO all take the same lines.

The most boring thing on the planet is watching 30 motorbikes all take the same damned line.

[idleidolidyll]

What other western country runs motards on the same track on the same day as road bikes? Let alone in the same race?

you wanna be like everyone else?

sorry, i reject cloning

[idleidolidyll]

New Zealand pretty much invented the World Superbikes; different is good