Check this *sshole out!

[Aero165]

Thing is guys, I genuinely don't believe it's made in Japan.

When pushed he never actually states that it IS made in Japan. I believe he is full of shit and is only saying it's made in Japan to get sales. Maybe I should of asked "Can you prove this chain is made in Japan"? As in "is it stamped on the chain?"

There are some traders selling $180 pocketbikes as 'High quality racing replicas' and as most people would know a $180 Daytona rep IS NOT a 'high quality' bike, so it's not like people don't bend the truth daily on TM.

I have been stung before on TM for not taking the item description with a grain of salt. I did not want to buy a "Made in Japan" chain only to find that when it actually turns up on my door step it is a cheap china chain. I wanted to be totally sure of what I was buying.

I asked a VERY simple question politely, HE chose to be an asshole about it by calling me a twat.

[Finn]

Well given the two of you aren't getting along very well, I doubt you will be doing business anyway. You've just missed out on a well priced Japanese chain.

[borg]

Is putting it politely, he was rude, an asshole and a c*nt!! And he obviously has no marketing and PR skills either!!

No need for that kind of outright abuse over a question and confirmation of a statement. I've CW'd it for the abuse! And I don't care either if anyone things I'm a git for doing so! It doesn't hurt to be polite even when someone is being difficult. It's good PR as well.

[cynna]

should be a pretty good chain tho if it is made in Mordor

[Aero165]

No need for that kind of outright abuse over a question and confirmation of a statement. I've CW'd it for the abuse! And I don't care either if anyone things I'm a git for doing so! It doesn't hurt to be polite even when someone is being difficult. It's good PR as well.

Thanks,

What I don't understand is it seems like half the people here believe that whatever is stated in the item description MUST be true. Am I the only person that has been stung for believe the description and not asking any questions????


Oh, and whats "CW'd"?

[Aero165]

should be a pretty good chain tho if it is made in Mordor

LOL, maybe it'll come with a free Oger or two

[borg]

Thanks,

What I don't understand is it seems like half the people here believe that whatever is stated in the item description MUST be true. Am I the only person that has been stung for believe the description and not asking any questions????


Oh, and whats "CW'd"?

Well, you should be able to rely on a stated description. In the commercial world it's illegal to sell something that isn't described accurately. That may be the case here with certain vendors as well. I'm not a legal guru, but it goes something like that. All that aside, it doesn't hurt to confirm, and you don't expect to get abused for doing so.

CW is the "community watch" reporting option. The seller has been out of line here I think with the aggression, and the inappropriate abusive language is the reason I've CW'd it.

[Aero165]

Yes, I agree. Confirmation is all I wanted. Not a

[Finn]

It's good PR as well.

You're delusional. This is a small time operator NOT a friggen large business. Public relations? You made me laugh anyway.

While I would refrain (a bit) if I was in his shoes, he's free to say what he likes. You should try working retail for a while. You'll learn pretty quickly how miserable and nasty the general public actually are.

[Finn]

CW is the "community watch" reporting option. The seller has been out of line here I think with the aggression, and the inappropriate abusive language is the reason I've CW'd it.

Goody two shoes. I've just reported Aero for Trolling then. Nice work.

[borg]

You're delusional. This is a small time operator NOT a friggen large business. Public relations? You made me laugh anyway.

While I would refrain (a bit) if I was in his shoes, he's free to say what he likes. You should try working retail for a while. You'll learn pretty quickly how miserable and nasty the general public actually are.

I didn't say he was a commercial op. Some sellers are though. That wasn't my point anyway. I was saying there is an obligation, morally and/or legally to accurately describe an item for sale (whether you are a commercial operation or private).

I don't disagree with you either. I know it can be frustrating, but you've got to err on the side of caution, and not assume that someone is just trying to wind you up with no intention of buying. Otherwise you'll end up looking like a prat, as this seller has clearly done a good job of doing to his reputation.

[Finn]

I was saying there is an obligation, morally and/or legally to accurately describe an item for sale (whether you are a commercial operation or private).

So you've made up your mind that it's not a Japanese chain?

[borg]

So you've made up your mind that it's not a Japanese chain?

No... but it seems you are making assumptions about my thoughts. I was thinking it probably is a Japanese made chain.

I would tend to trust what the buyer has stated, but confirm via a question if I had any doubt, concern about the stated facts, or just wanted to confirm to satisfy my but, as the original poster had wanted to do in the first place.

If it turns out not to be accurate, then I'd ship it back and ask for a refund along with shipping and return shipping costs. Only fair. I personally wouldn't deal with this trader now anyway if I was the buyer. The attitude would indicate someone very difficult to deal with if there were problems with the purchase.

[sunhuntin]

i wouldnt buy something like a chain from tm... id rather put my money into the hands of a bike dealer and buy a chain through them. i only buy off trademe the things i cant source in local shops [like out of print books and cds]

honestly, i feel both are at fault. aero: auction sabotage is against tm's rules, and thats how your "question' comes across. if you want a japanese chain, then buy one that you can be 100% certain [ie, pick it up and check the marks.]

[Finn]

I personally wouldn't deal with this trader now anyway if I was the buyer. The attitude would indicate someone very difficult to deal with if there were problems with the purchase.

He's not difficult, just direct. He answered the question promptly and provided the potential buyer with a very clear answer. It's just that Aero got a little precious about being told to piss off. I thought it was funny.