What would happen if MNZ disappeared?

[Deano]

What you can't have, which is why MNZ's job is nearly impossible, is to try and manage a thousand different opinions, ideas and agendas. That's how it is now and all MNZ can do is put up barriers to stop individuals bombarding them with "their" idea of how the sport should be run. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

There is a catch. It requires riders and clubs to be organised and professional in formulating discussion points and agenda items and to agree on the outcomes. And most importantly, they can't moan about having to get to the circuit a day earlier/later. They either want their say or they don't - HTFU.

The second paragraph I certainly agree with, but the first - a certain private promoter, (while not the best at business communication) has not been assisted by the governing organisation, in terms of attaining insurance cover for grass roots events. It would be a shame to lose these events which encourage newbies and the hardcore alike to participate. Ask anyone who participate at the cliff hanger sprints or hill climb.

[Grub]

a certain private promoter, (while not the best at business communication) has not been assisted by the governing organisation, in terms of attaining insurance cover for grass roots events..

Yep and that's a damned shame Deano. That's why I included "promoters" as equal partners in the Motorsport Symposia idea. They need to be heard and they need to have the support of the other parties as well. As long as no one party is taking business away from others, everyone should be battting for the same team (except Honda riders of course)

[Deano]

Things could definitely be better.

[Kickaha]

What would happen if race dates for the nationals were booked NOW for the 09 nats?

I doubt any track in the country will book the dates that far ahead

I think it would result in competitors being able to get their shit organised good & early.

I doubt the competitors could organise them selves if they were given 2 years lead time

If MNZ disappear what organisation will replace them? if you want a National series I would think you need a National body to coordinate it,unless the clubs could do it between themselves and come up with a common set of class rules

[scrivy]

I doubt any track in the country will book the dates that far ahead
Rubbish -I book the Taupo track for each year for the RoadRace Spectacular. They know its my date.


I doubt the competitors could organise them selves if they were given 2 years lead time.
Er.... you talking about your lap time?????

[sidecar bob]

I doubt any track in the country will book the dates that far ahead



I doubt the competitors could organise them selves if they were given 2 years lead time

If MNZ disappear what organisation will replace them? if you want a National series I would think you need a National body to coordinate it,unless the clubs could do it between themselves and come up with a common set of class rules

Well maybe it would result in poor old frosty being able get some tyres without them being allocated to a "more worthy" competitor, But i doubt two years would be enough for the tyre companies.

[FROSTY:Me]

actually all kidding aside--i know at least ONE track with its bookings being taken 18months to 2 years in advance.
To me thats just fundimental to everything.
Get dates set in stone. 2 years in advance. Gives everybody time to organise themselves.
Including sponsors,potential investors.. Yes tyre suppliers etc
Ditto the local cub serieses. Why not have the tracks organised so we dont get overlaps--2 meetings on the same day.

[ajturbo]

Things could definitely be better.

hey deano....do you NEED the MNZ to run your event?

OUR bucket racing is done without them...we set the rules and we all get on with racing, politics?... we leave that up to luke!

[Burrt Badger]

Frosty.

The circuits will not commit to 18 months out in the summer period until Motorsport NZ has fixed it's tier 1 and 2 dates, then they will accept bookings for the likes of the Road Race Champs. Motorsport NZ usually confirms it's dates in June.

[Kickaha]

Rubbish -I book the Taupo track for each year for the RoadRace Spectacular. They know its my date.

Thats only one date,try booking a whole series that far out, and you also book for a time when track use isn't in high demand

Frosty.

The circuits will not commit to 18 months out in the summer period until Motorsport NZ has fixed it's tier 1 and 2 dates, then they will accept bookings for the likes of the Road Race Champs. Motorsport NZ usually confirms it's dates in June.

Cars get priority, they always have because they bring in more money

[oyster]

There's nothing wrong with MNZ it's classes or rules.
BUT there are two things that desperately need attention
1) Better "quality" people in the roles. It's only our fault if we sit back and let others do the work while we have the playtime.
2) A continuous and lively two way communication /consultation system.
Imagine if the MNZ site had a well run forum like KB where the commissioners and board regularly posted up topical issues for open discussion.

[idleidolidyll]

hey deano....do you NEED the MNZ to run your event?

OUR bucket racing is done without them...we set the rules and we all get on with racing, politics?... we leave that up to luke!

and that's the way other motorcycle sport will go if MNZ continues as its done for the last few decades

[idleidolidyll]

There's nothing wrong with MNZ it's classes or rules.
BUT there are two things that desperately need attention
1) Better "quality" people in the roles. It's only our fault if we sit back and let others do the work while we have the playtime.
2) A continuous and lively two way communication /consultation system.
Imagine if the MNZ site had a well run forum like KB where the commissioners and board regularly posted up topical issues for open discussion.

I disagree, there's plenty wrong with the classes. The original concept of F1, F2 and F3 have been destroyed and the manufacturers now own the premium class instead of competing in real; production classes where the racing is cheaper and we can actually judge which is the better production bike.

The bikes you see the winners on bear only a farcical resemblence to what you can buy from the shops.

As for the people, another thread points to the problem in that.
Sean Harris has offered himself as North Island representative and although we know he's a good rider, we know bugger all about his viewpoints.

Despite the best intentions, often the delegates have to make decisions and compromises at meetings that they have not discussed with the clubs/members and it is those decisions that often end up pissing people off.

If we had some kind of forum where delegates really were able to discuss their opinions about racing classes and meeting structures etc, we might be able to elect people who really did REPRESENT us.

How many of you actually know any of the personal viewpoints of your delegates?

And this is what makes your last suggestion a bloody good one.

[Goblin]

As for the people, another thread points to the problem in that.
Sean Harris has offered himself as North Island representative and although we know he's a good rider, we know bugger all about his viewpoints.

If we had some kind of forum where delegates really were able to discuss their opinions about racing classes and meeting structures etc, we might be able to elect people who really did REPRESENT us.

How many of you actually know any of the personal viewpoints of your delegates?

And this is what makes your last suggestion a bloody good one.

This is why I think that Shaun would be suited to the job. He's a battler. He wasn't going to be allowed to race at IOM but he made some noise and got the result he wanted. He nearly died there but fought for his life and got results. He was dicked around by ACC here, made a lot of noise and got results. Anyone see a pattern forming here? Nobody wants an angry Ginga on their back so he gets things done.

And yes...a discussion forum on the MNZ site would go a long way to letting riders have their say. Great idea!

[FROSTY:Me]

Just a lil heads up.Senior people in at least 1 bike club read THIS forum. The CEO of MNZ has been known to read this forum.