Banning party pills - a silly idea?

[Conquiztador]

How is that proving your point.

Why would I wish to associate with someone who has that opinion on someone they have not met, or know..

I give everyone a chance. Read my post. Scummy has just blown his.

[skidMark]

had more oh fuck moments riding than bungying or skydiving.

if my goal is to survive the day
then between that and our roads
give me a 'chute any day

Yeah but if the bike ran wide mid corner heading at a giant tree with a rare panda just jumped on the bike as pillion putting you on one wheel giving you no control whatsoever, thats your last oh fuck moment.

If that parachute dont open you are toast, the bike you have control.

One of the reasons i really hate going pillion on a ibke unless i trust the rider fully. and i mean fully.

[scumdog]

I used to respect you on here. Realised that you were in the force and thought: "Hey, here is a guy who is in a blue suit but still has his feet in reality". You just killed that. Not once have I called you names.

Far as I am concerned you are like all others in a blue suit: Thinking that they know best. Sadly people like me have to fix the shit you guys create. And trust me it is not created by party pills. Simplistic? Right... Tell me what justifies that? Your high education perhaps...

You think you know it all as you ride a bike. You think that because you sit on a HD you belong... Dude, you have seen nothing. It is not what you ride, it is who you are. Soon as ppl know you are blue they will clam up. I do the same.

I have never had any interest in associating with ppl from the force. Reason being that I can not trust them. They turn as soon as it suits them.

And re the issue here. Tell me, what is your experience here? Have you trialled any of the drugs? Yeah, you see ppl everyday high. I give you that. But we are talking about party drugs here. Is thet the reason there is a problem? Do you really belive that as a result of the banning of them your work will become better. Time to wake up to the reality blueboy.

You are just a puppet spewing out what the force is telling you to do. Do me a favour and go away and come back when you have your own opinions.

On one statement (you simplistic twat) you hang a whole lot of assumptions, amazing how fragile your assesment of people is.

I was merely testing you - and you failed to measure up.

Must be an age thing.

[Conquiztador]

How is that proving your point.

Why would I wish to associate with someone who has that opinion on someone they have not met, or know..

You have never met me.
I have never met you
How the hell do you base whether you can trust someone solely based on whom they work for, or what they do for a living.

Ok so you edited your post.

Here: As I said I give everyone a chance. I contacted you because of your artistic talent (that I still recon is outstanding, but I now realise that you might have a problem to do what we discussed) I did not care about what you did for a living. Still don't. That would never have entered the equation. Sadly it seems that people who do work in the force do not have the right to separate work and private life.

One of my pet subjects: If you are a police and in the bikie scene and you learn about something as a result of being a bikie, will you use that knowledge at work???...

Regarding the trust: If you read my post I state that scummy just proves my point, that I have realised that I can not trust anyone in blue. But maybe you could prove me wrong?

We are all humans. We will make decisions based on our knowledge and experience. I do not dislike police. Far from it. But very few of them have proven me wrong in regards what I have learnt through the years.

And one more thing: Don't you find it interesting that even here on KB there is heaps of bikers arguing, debating, contemplating heaps of stuff. And all have different opinions and take different sides. Apart from the blue, they stick together...

[Conquiztador]

On one statement (you simplistic twat) you hang a whole lot of assumptions, amazing how fragile your assesment of people is.

I was merely testing you - and you failed to measure up.

Must be an age thing.

Do not assume things. It is the biggest fuckup you can do. You started the name calling. I was dissappointed as I was expecting more from you. Debate, prove me wrong, but to sink to namecalling...

I am antisocial, arrogant and abrasive. And I dont really give a fuck about others opinions. And I don't play games. My boys do that. They are below teens. Perhaps I should introduce you?

[scumdog]

Yeah, you see ppl everyday high. I give you that. But we are talking about party drugs here. Is thet the reason there is a problem? Do you really belive that as a result of the banning of them your work will become better. Time to wake up to the reality blueboy.

You are just a puppet spewing out what the force is telling you to do. Do me a favour and go away and come back when you have your own opinions.

Wake up you Pollyanna. (And I don't mean in in a nasty way - more of a "wake up and smell the coffee" way.)

I see party drugs AND BOOZE and the results.

Rarely do they come one without the other.

And the problems I have to deal with (unlike you I suspect) are not what the 'pro party pill' people ever have to deal with - most of them just want to see the $$$ pour in.

Ban party pills, lift the drinking age.


I am NOT a puppet 'spewing out" what the force (whatever THAT is) tells me to do.

Oh I've been around a fair bit so I don't need anybody to tell me what to think, I see and deal with the effects of so many 'harmless' drugs (ok, often mixed with alcohol)..

And how many times HAVE you met me that you're qualified to judge me???

And how many that HAVE met me have you spoken to????

[scumdog]

Do not assume things. It is the biggest fuckup you can do. You started the name calling. I was dissappointed as I was expecting more from you. Debate, prove me wrong, but to sink to namecalling...

I am antisocial, arrogant and abrasive. And I dont really give a fuck about others opinions. And I don't play games. My boys do that. They are below teens. Perhaps I should introduce you?

I feel you should follow what you preach - after all what part of what I said made you change your mind??

And I explained my 'name calling' - and they're will be more of that.

[scumdog]

I give everyone a chance. Read my post. Scummy has just blown his.

Like Scummy really cares.

[Conquiztador]

Wake up you Pollyanna. (And I don't mean in in a nasty way - more of a "wake up and smell the coffee" way.)

I see party drugs AND BOOZE and the results.

Rarely do they come one without the other.

And the problems I have to deal with (unlike you I suspect) are not what the 'pro party pill' people ever have to deal with - most of them just want to see the $$$ pour in.

Ban party pills, lift the drinking age.


I am NOT a puppet 'spewing out" what the force (whatever THAT is) tells me to do.

Oh I've been around a fair bit, I don't need anybody to tell me what to think.

And how many times have you met me that you're qualified to judge me???

And how many that HAVE met me have you spoken to????

Lol.

Pollyanne. I could almost live with that. Imagine have that below the pic...

Anyhow:

So you see party drugs AND booze. And you think that because the party drugs are banned the problem will go away???

Right. I used to work in a rehab. When one drug become scarce another took over. The ppl that use party drugs WANT to use drugs. The ones that hate drugs will not use party drugs.

That what really pees me off, that people do not seem to realise that the ones using party drugs are the ones that WANT to get high. Because there is legal party drugs they will get them, easy, cheap and no chance to get busted by scummy.

It's like tagging. Ban the paint cans and they find another way to tag.

All from the wrong end.

Shit scummy, I rather deal with someone on party pills and booze then e or p and booze anyday...

[Conquiztador]

I feel you should follow what you preach - after all what part of what I said made you change your mind??

And I explained my 'name calling' - and they're will be more of that.

Dude you want to call me names go for it. It will not change my sleeping habits. Knock your self silly if it is what makes you tick.

[scumdog]

Fair comment - but since I've been wearing the blue I've noticed the drop in the drinking age (not good) and the introduction of 'party pills' (what void did they ever fill?) which made things worse.

Not just my observations but what the young ones told me.

Take away the party pills? - well I dunno if that will fix things but what were the young ones taking BEFORE they became available???

And rathe rdeal with those on booze nd 'p' or 'e' than party pills? Me too.

But down here the ones now using party pills were never the ones using 'p' or 'e'.

They just use to use booze -- now they add BZP to it.

The 'p' and 'e' (very rarely used down here) users never use to use much booze anyway.

[Conquiztador]

Like Scummy really cares.

No, I am sure you don't. You can always hang around with your blue mates. Who cares about reality when you have ppl around you who encourages your view???

[scumdog]

Dude you want to call me names go for it. It will not change my sleeping habits. Knock your self silly if it is what makes you tick.

Hey easy on 'your silly self' eh - it could be seen as being name calling.

But on topic: ban booze and any other mind -bending supstances and I'd almost be out of a job.

And if I was? - well if the drugs/booze were gone I'd be happy, I'd get another job, after all, I have only 5 - 10 years before I retire anyway so anything to keep me busy and pay would do.

Hey, I could work at rehab somewhere - wouldn't be to much work though and it would be a cruisy number eh??

[scumdog]

No, I am sure you don't. You can always hang around with your blue mates. Who cares about reality when you have ppl around you who encourages your view???

WHO deals with 'reality'??

D'you think somebody TOLD me the shit I've been talking about?? my 'blue' mates? get a grip.

I don't need anybody to 'encourage' my view - I see it as it is, always have, always will.
Had the same attitiude when I was a freezing worker, woollen mill worker or whatever.

[Conquiztador]

Fair comment - but since I've been wearing the blue I've noticed the drop in the drinking age (not good) and the introduction of 'party pills' (what void did they ever fill?) which made things worse.

Not just my observations but what the young ones told me.

Take away the party pills? - well I dunno if that will fix things but what were the young ones taking BEFORE they became available???

And rathe rdeal with those on booze nd 'p' or 'e' than party pills? Me too.

But down here the ones now using party pills were never the ones using 'p' or 'e'.

They just use to use booze -- now they add BZP to it.

The 'p' and 'e' (very rarely used down here) users never use to use much booze anyway.

Sorry, can not comment on all that as I do not live down there. I can just go by what I have seen and what my 19yo does (and his mates). Add to that my experience from past.

The reality is that if someone wants to get high they will find a way. If we then allow them to do that by giving them a substance that we can controll and monitor, does that not make sense? (Here I have to admit that I am devided. Should we go for allowing party pills or glue sniffing...shit, that is such a hard one...)

I landed in NZ 20 odd years ago and apart from Oz this would have to been the country where it was the easiest to get dope (and I have been in Amsterdam where it is sold on the streets..) The first thing I noticed was that parties in NZ finished at midnight. I could not understand why. Then it hit me: Everyone was high and got paranoid...

Dope aside, there was never a lack of speed. Bags of it. From memory $50/bag in those days. Sure, there was smack etc also, but not so open. My point is, that even 20 odd years ago if you wanted to get high there was something available.

To say that because it was on the shelf it suddenly became something that was OK and that everyone used is bull. The ppl who do only drink a drink or two per evening would not touch it. The ones who just want to get wasted no matter what shit they use, they were happy to take it (seen it). Nothing changed. Just become less mystified.

Now it is back to the back alley stuff. The "Psstt.. You got a score dude??"

How long we had party drugs? 5 years? Are you gonna show me any evidence that something in NZ has gotten worse because of it???

U are in the force. U have seen many other changes in the last 10 years. The street gangs, the boy racers, the fight clubs, the attitude, the lack of respect. I was actually thinking that by allowing party drugs to be sold openly NZ we were coming up with a solution. Silly me. Lets just join all the others that have no solutions and try to fix things by banning. After all, NZ does not have to lead the way. Lets just do the same mistakes that everyone else is doing.