The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Naki Rat]

But the best bit ?

Normal kiwis who ARE environmentally aware will tred carefully.
We will think very hard before we flood a valley in case we are destroying the environment. We will think very hard before we use nuclear energy to generate power.

And the government will take our money, and it will end up in Estonia or some other ex iron curtain state.

Aunty Helen and co have just completed a Free Trade Agreement with China, a country that is presently commissioning an average of 2 coal fired power stations each week. And we are exporting some of that coal to them.

Hypocritical NZ government to say the least!

[Ocean1]

Or whether the amount of time, effort and money that's being invested in "climate change" would be better invested on things that make a real difference, such as the fight against poverty, hunger and disease.

Poverty? Hunger? Get a job.

Disease? Get a job as a medical practitioner or researcher.

[Skyryder]

Poor sound and speaker has a strong accent that at times is difficult to understand but he debunks the Global Swindle with ease. Lengthy but worth looking at.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40542976216573


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Poor sound and speaker has a strong accent that at times is difficult to understand but he debunks the Global Swindle with ease. Lengthy but worth looking at.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40542976216573


Skyryder

And more.

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0...aganda_the.php


Seems to me the ones swindled were those that believed the Global Warming Swindle.

I never bothered to watch it. The title said it all.


Skyryder

[Swoop]

What a perfect product carbon credits are.

But you can trade them. Auction them, invest in them, and have futures markets based on them.

You can make a lot of money, just by clipping the ticket each time they move through your hands.

You would be hard pressed to sell this particular scam to an intelligent man.

It sounds like the person who invented this scheme will get quite wealthy from it.

Can anyone else say "Pyramid scheme"?
Illegal in some places.

[Maki]

Poor sound and speaker has a strong accent that at times is difficult to understand but he debunks the Global Swindle with ease. Lengthy but worth looking at.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40542976216573


Skyryder

That's an excellent video, thanks.

[Winston001]

What a perfect product carbon credits are.

You don't need to manufacture them, you don't need to store them.
You don't need to ship them to customers, they don't rot or corrode, and you don't have to insure them in case they are stolen or break.

You don't even have to refund the money if they don't work !

But you can trade them. Auction them, invest in them, and have futures markets based on them.

You can make a lot of money, just by clipping the ticket each time they move through your hands.

You would be hard pressed to sell this particular scam to an intelligent man. And there is not much point selling it to a fool, as he won't have any money.

But there is one place you can find a lot of fools, and a lot of money. Its called Parliament.

You only have to convince a few idiots and their government, and they will use force to make everyone your customer.

Nice (if cynical) analysis.

I have my doubts about carbon trading too but leaving that aside:

1. The concept is if you are releasing carbon, you buy a "tonne" of carbon from somebody else who is locking it up. Plantations of trees, native bush regeneration, tussock lands etc. Carbon (soot) can be pumped deep underground too.

2. The carbon seller needs to insure the plantation whatever because if it burns up, the carbon is released. Bummer.

3. About 3 years ago Christchurch City sold carbon tonnes to a Dutch company for the carbon being recaptured by it's waste recycling system. So carbon trading is real and already happens.

[moT]

I Say We Should Encourage Global Warming Burn As Many Tyres And Use As Many Arosol Cans As You Can I Hate The Frking Cold Winters.

[Pwalo]

Come on guys get with the program. Both Big Fat Al Gore's documentary and the "Global Swindle" doco are old news. It's called "Climate Change" now, and it seems as if the real world just won't conform to the lovely computer models that have been predicting warming.

It seems that the good old planet has actually been getting colder (slightly, anyway) for the last ten years. I believe that has been mesasured, and is not a model, which makes it a little more convincing.

I get the feeling that a lot of people are getting conservation and green politics somewhat confused. Most people wouldn't argue against conservation of resources, but I'm not so convinced about the reasoning behind global warming, and the implicit belief in computer models.

[Magua]

It seems that the good old planet has actually been getting colder (slightly, anyway) for the last ten years. I believe that has been mesasured, and is not a model, which makes it a little more convincing.

IPCC Fourth Report (2007). 10 of the last eleven years (1995 to 2006) were observed to be the warmest on record since 1850.

Use As Many Arosol Cans As You Can I Hate The Frking Cold Winters.

Aerosols = cooling

[peasea]

The globe may (or may not) be warming, but it isn't due to us puny humans

Yup, global warming and cooling is cyclical and occurs naturally. Ice ages come and go. It's just scaremongering and a tax grab.

[Pwalo]

[QUOTE=Magua;1591211]IPCC Fourth Report (2007). 10 of the last eleven years (1995 to 2006) were observed to be the warmest on record since 1850.

No, I'm pretty sure that the results have shown it's getting colder. I'll see if I can get the reports.

The IPCC reports don't enjoy the highest of reputations for accuracy.

[Jantar]

Come on guys get with the program. Both Big Fat Al Gore's documentary and the "Global Swindle" doco are old news. It's called "Climate Change" now, and it seems as if the real world just won't conform to the lovely computer models that have been predicting warming.

It seems that the good old planet has actually been getting colder (slightly, anyway) for the last ten years. I believe that has been mesasured, and is not a model, which makes it a little more convincing.

I get the feeling that a lot of people are getting conservation and green politics somewhat confused. Most people wouldn't argue against conservation of resources, but I'm not so convinced about the reasoning behind global warming, and the implicit belief in computer models.

IPCC Fourth Report (2007). 10 of the last eleven years (1995 to 2006) were observed to be the warmest on record since 1850.



Aerosols = cooling

Its another case where the IPCC report doesn't agree with observed facts.

The 1st attachment shows the latest rankings from NASA, and the 2nd attachment is the monthly temperature anomalies ever since MSU satellites were launched, along with a graph of the last 120 months (10 years) data.

[SPman]

Global warming is a hoax, the planet dying is not.

The other way around, if anything - the planet won't die - it'll shrug it's shoulders over 10-100-1000 decades and get on with whatever it was doing.Might not be very pleasant for humans, but, so what!

I have my doubts about carbon trading too but leaving that aside:

Carbon trading is a cynical scheme by big business to make money out of the whole deal by off loading their crap onto others - mainly the poor schmucks at the bottom of the food chain, like you and me.

Usual story - its a cold week, or month, so, global warming is crap.
When the ice sheets slide into the ocean and the methane starts bubbling into the atmosphere, life as we now it is gone! Who cares if it's normal or human induced - once it's happened, there's no going back! - bullshit programs like The Great Global Warming Swindle,at least, I suppose, engender more heated debate about the subject.
Notice how it's the smug, conservative fat cats, often those more responsible for mass emissions, who deny and denigrate the most........

[MisterD]

Notice how it's the smug, conservative fat cats, often those more responsible for mass emissions, who deny and denigrate the most........

I don't notice that at all. When someone I instinctively trust as a scientist and environmentalist, ie David Bellamy, says the science is dubious...that, I notice.