Last guy in MotoGP V fastest kiwi

[cowpoos]

I think your miles off, didnt Stroud have a go at wsb quite a few years back and he was not even close , its sort of a comparison, those guys really are talented its not just the machines

yes he did..[on a far from factory Kawasaki]..and WSB is a arena where money,technology,experienced team and who knows who is all a extremely important and essential part of being a front runner! there is a big difference between front and middle,tail end machines no question...and at that level it makes all the difference.

Look at the satilite honda teams in MotoGP...alos other teams running same base model bikes in WSBK...etc...no doubt at all the rider is a masive part...

Also...Andrew had another crack as a wildcard at phillip Island a few years ago with some pretty good results considering the specification on his machine! Scroll down to read the first news item about Phillip Island. http://www.superbikenewzealand.com/news.html


Some of Andrews Achievements. http://www.superbikenewzealand.com/aboutandrew.html

[Sollyboy]

yes he did..[on a far from factory Kawasaki]..and WSB is a arena where money,technology,experienced team and who knows who is all a extremely important and essential part of being a front runner! there is a big difference between front and middle,tail end machines no question...and at that level it makes all the difference.

Look at the satilite honda teams in MotoGP...alos other teams running same base model bikes in WSBK...etc...no doubt at all the rider is a masive part...

Also...Andrew had another crack as a wildcard at phillip Island a few years ago with some pretty good results considering the specification on his machine! Scroll down to read the first news item about Phillip Island. http://www.superbikenewzealand.com/news.html


Some of Andrews Achievements. http://www.superbikenewzealand.com/aboutandrew.html

Stroud got a machine that was relative to his talents perhaps , if people at that level spot talent and they are the people to spot talent then they get a better machine , so what that says to me is that after all his years in the game no one at the top on the world stage thought he was worthy .
Intrestingly enough it was rumored that stroud won some races a few years back here in NZ on machines that were 20 hp down on the opositions , and that was pure talent just not WSB or moto gp level of talent

[wharfy]

Stroud got a machine that was relative to his talents perhaps , if people at that level spot talent and they are the people to spot talent then they get a better machine , so what that says to me is that after all his years in the game no one at the top on the world stage thought he was worthy .
Intrestingly enough it was rumored that stroud won some races a few years back here in NZ on machines that were 20 hp down on the opositions , and that was pure talent just not WSB or moto gp level of talent

Who gets to ride what and for whom is not as straight forward as it seems. There is a LOT of politics and deals with sponsors etc. Read Aarron Slights book for a peek inside WSB business.

[Badjelly]

The GP boys are just flesh and blood like the rest of us. It's the training, experience, dedication and opportunities that make the difference. IMO.

Sure, but the GP boys have had the training, experience, dedication and opportunities AND they've gone through a brutal winnowing process, with some really good riders unable to break through in the 125 or 250 because they can't get competitive machinery. (Like Anthony West, until his luck changed last year.) So I reckon the slowest of the field MotoGP (premier class field) would be above the top people racing in NZ, and I voted "yes".

But, as a non-racer, I admire anyone who has the skill and guts to ride a motorbike competitively.

[cowpoos]

Stroud got a machine that was relative to his talents perhaps , if people at that level spot talent and they are the people to spot talent then they get a better machine ,

Nah...not how it played out at all. Politics in the sport is a big factor.

But anyway.. we'll get told off for being off topic soon.

[denill]

So who's the Kiwi going to race?

Melandri? West?

[roadracingoldfart]

I personally dont think there is any way to guess a winner in this situation , BUT ....
If a local Kiwi was racing against a current GP rider of any sort then that would be good for that riders C.V. espesially if he won.

For the GP rider the fun of being able to take on the top level rider of any country in his chosen sport would be perfect for benchmarking his own riding and give him a huge amount of fun in the process.

Years ago when the WSB was held here the locals gave a few top riders a hard time, the same can happen now but if it lasted then thats the differance.

Richard Scott kicked a few european asses and then came back here and pissed all over the best the country had to put against him, the differance that time was without doubt the bike (RS 500)but even a good bike has to be riden well to beat top class riders.
He did the same thing a few years later on a FZR 750 F1 machine.

Peter Clifford has writen a few very good books (apart from Autocourse) and he explains a few of the questions being talked over here.

Ahhh well thats my 2 cents worth.
Paul.