Singh family complaining about the police

[HenryDorsetCase]

Explains why you can't make the connection between alcohol & violence.
'Claytons' still for sale in you local liquour store ?

OK, I will explain myself. Your post seems to suggest that you see no difference between a proprietor of a (presumably) small business legally plying his trade in a competitive market, and scumbags who think it is OK to steal stuff instead of buying it, and to kill someone in the process.

I suggest to you that in fact there is no connection between the alcohol sold in this store, and the violence perpetrated upon its owner, apart from the fact that a liquor store sells (wait for it) liquor.

You, I suggest, are unable to distinguish between a business proprietor with a young family, and three scumbag killers. Nice. I hope you're OK with that because I am not. You, sir, are wrong. Wrong as can be.

As for my local liquor store? I am old enough to remember "Claytons" but never to have tried it. I only really buy Champagne in any case.

[98tls]

Yeah starts with shooting off the mouth and escalates from there.

still...shooting off the mouth is likely to quiet things down for a bit.

[boomer]

Taxi.........??!!!




ps. Speedie.. just joshin

[Coldrider]

OK, I will explain myself. Your post seems to suggest that you see no difference between a proprietor of a (presumably) small business legally plying his trade in a competitive market, and scumbags who think it is OK to steal stuff instead of buying it, and to kill someone in the process.

I suggest to you that in fact there is no connection between the alcohol sold in this store, and the violence perpetrated upon its owner, apart from the fact that a liquor store sells (wait for it) liquor.

You, I suggest, are unable to distinguish between a business proprietor with a young family, and three scumbag killers. Nice. I hope you're OK with that because I am not. You, sir, are wrong. Wrong as can be.

As for my local liquor store? I am old enough to remember "Claytons" but never to have tried it. I only really buy Champagne in any case.

Alcohol does not care where it comes from, sold by legally by a nice family man or distilled by a gangster. The effect on those who consume it or require it knows no boundaries.

[scumdog]

Bullet holes ? Well, in this case, tthere was one place that the cops could say with certainty was safe. The shop where the guy was dying. because they were talking to the people there. No gunman there . So the "safe place" could have been the shop!

So the cops 'knew' the people they were talking to were inside the shop? - and that no gunman was anywhere near it?

Well then they should have bolted on into the shop then eh.

I wonder why they didn't??

[HenryDorsetCase]

Alcohol does not care where it comes from, sold by legally by a nice family man or distilled by a gangster. The effect on those who consume it or require it knows no boundaries.

you persist in misunderstanding: How is alcohol relevant to this? I bet you'd be just as self righteous an asshole if they operated a fish n chip shop huh? Oooooooh they sold fatty food so they deserved to die.

Go fuck yourself.

[MisterD]

Alcohol does not care where it comes from, sold by legally by a nice family man or distilled by a gangster. The effect on those who consume it or require it knows no boundaries.

You might find some information on the price of fish in Iceland here

No, I don't know what the f that has to do with it either.

[tgb_novice]

Alcohol does not care where it comes from, sold by legally by a nice family man or distilled by a gangster. The effect on those who consume it or require it knows no boundaries.

No And the governments that have allowed this to be legally sold through the ages have to be commended and anyone who votes for next election has to be as they have voted for a government that allows this criminal activity to continue

[Manxman]

They profit from the sale of take away alcohol, and moan when the shit hits their premises instead of the homes where it could be consumed.

what the fuck?

I mean seriously, what the fuck?

Coldrider, would you like to explain exactly what you mean by your comment?

Are you in some way saying that this guy deserved to be shot, because he was selling takeaway alcohol?

[buellbabe]

Regarding the original context of this thread... I agree with the family having a bitch. The pieces of shit were long gone and despite a family member being INSIDE the shop assuring the cops of this fact the cops refused to let the ambos in.
YEP! I would bitch too. Sure there is protocol to be followed but rules are made to be broken and surely in cases like this commonsense should prevail?

BTW it happened a block away from my house. I was in that shop 3 days earlier, they didn't have the beer my mate wanted and the guy cheerfully told him that he would have the right brand the next time we visited ...

Everyone around here is in shock.

[SixPackBack]

Be interesting to see how this case pans out, when we have all the facts a rational conclusion maybe be reached........
Ponder for a moment the public's reaction if the police had sent an ambo in [our speedie?] and a gunman had taken him out!..........I guarantee the out rage would be twice as bad.
A man died folk's, but the police arrived to mop the shit up and as Enigma51 points out the gunman not the police are responsible for his death.

[Grahameeboy]

Be interesting to see how this case pans out, when we have all the facts a rational conclusion maybe be reached........
Ponder for a moment the public's reaction if the police had sent an ambo in [our speedie?] and a gunman had taken him out!..........I guarantee the out rage would be twice as bad.
A man died folk's, but the police arrived to mop the shit up and as Enigma51 points out the gunman not the police are responsible for his death.

Agreed...he could have died on the way to hospital as injuries may have been fatal. He was probably shot in the chest if standing behind a counter...

It is a shame, Family are grieving and their response is understandably an emotional one...

The only issue is that the paper said people were entering shop and someone even bought something so that needs to be looked at.

[Qkchk:Me]

Three appearing in Manukau District Court this morning on a 'range' of affences. Two are going to charged with murder and aggravated robbery of Mr Singh and also facing a variety of firearms charges. (as quoted of newstalkzb)

More info appearing in STUFF

[Maki]

The police knew the perps had long gone:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/stor...ectid=10515371

"However, family friend Sandeep Verma - who arrived minutes after the shooting - said he told 111 operators the robbers were long gone, so there was no excuse for not letting help in sooner.

"This is not acceptable. Everyone was calling cops and an ambulance from the carpark so that means no one is around," he said. "If you are still waiting for police then that means they are just abiding by the rules. They are not human beings. They just follow the rules which are on the books, that's it.""

The police did not enter because:

"Detective Inspector Jim Gallagher said police had to establish the gunman's whereabouts to ensure no one else's life was in danger.

They also had to wait for firearms to arrive so armed police could check the scene before letting anyone, including St John, into the store."

So, waiting for firearms to arrive was more important then the life of the father of three children. He is dead now, and I don't even know if the mother has been able to tell them that yet. I do know that she has no idea how she will support herself and the children in the future.

Police screwed up again, and instead of admitting it and doing something to prevent it from happening again they say they did nothing wrong. It's just not good enough.

[scumdog]

Police screwed up again, and instead of admitting it and doing something to prevent it from happening again they say they did nothing wrong. It's just not good enough.

Yup, another KBer that knows all the facts post event and what SHOULD have ben done at the time.

NZ Police need a data-bank of people like you that they can call on when some crisis event like this is 'going down' so they know what is the correct thing to do and precisley when to do it...