Clearly we are all filthy anti-semites

[Ixion]

That is a very useful site . I never knew the Arabic for dick was zeb. That will come in handy , I'm sure.

[riffer]

Many of my family are still members of the Jewish church. However - my grandfather was excommunicated from the Jewish church in Wellington for the crime of marrying an English woman. He's the only member of our family not buried in the Jewish cemetary in Makara. The same fate awaits my father, myself, my sons, my brothers and their sons. So be it. At least they relented when my uncle Gerry died and let us in the Synagogue.

It's not just the Holocaust guys - my family on my father's side hail from Riga, Latvia. A certain bloke called Josef Stalin did a good job of trying to wipe out a lot of my family.

Without taking away from the deprivations of God's chosen over the years I would venture there would be a bit more support for the Israelis if they stopped appropriating Palestinian land and bombing their children.

Personally I thought the billboard was pretty funny, especially in the context of which it was written.

[Hitcher]

Not all Israelis are jewish, and not all jews are Israelis. And there are many shades of grey within each category. Generalisations, stereotypes and cheap slurs (such as the tags added to this thread) add little value to the intent of this thread.

[Dave Lobster]

I wasn't aware there was a swastika ascii character - the tag kinda suggests it though.



'Only' 9-11 million according to Wikipedia.

That is of course - if holocaust indeed ever happened

My goodness. It's going up all the time. From 2.5 million at the end of the war.. Just lately it was about 4 million.. Feck.. they're all coming out of the woodwork to be part of it. It can't be THAT bad..

[fridayflash]

The response from our Israeli friend in this morning's paper is, quite frankly, predictable and pathetic.

Jews, blondes, gingas, Irish, Catholics, Maoris, disabled people all find themselves the butt of jokes from time to time. Where this humour has no malice, surely there is no crime? Particularly if it's bloody funny.

yep too troo! i belong to at least two thirds of those 'sub groups'
and dont feel the need to attempt to hold the remaining population
of the western world to ransom over it

[McJim]

That is of course - if holocaust indeed ever happened

Aha! - It was you that drew those cartoons to annoy the Muslims wasn't it bacon boy? (Denmark = Major bacon producer for all you non-europeans out there - all the more reason for his anti semitic comments.)

I have to confess that I have lost count of the number of times I have seen Scots and Scotland ridiculed in the name of advertising. Even funnier is the fact that you don't catch any of us whinging about it though.

Odd innit?

[Ixion]

Is it possible to ridicule the Scotch. Surely they are in all cases proof that truth is stranger than fiction ?

[McJim]

Is it possible to ridicule the Scotch. Surely they are in all cases proof that truth is stranger than fiction ?

Not all scotch is delivered in cases. Sometimes it's in miniature bottles and sometimes it can even be supplied by the keg

[Dave Lobster]

Is it possible to ridicule the Scotch.

Oh yes.. Apologies for the age of this joke..


Fast forward to 2006 - it is just before Scotland v Brazil at the next World Cup Group game. Ronaldo goes into the Brazilian changing room to find all his teammates looking a bit glum.

"What's up?" he asks.
"Well, we're having trouble getting motivated for this game. We know it's important but it's only Scotland. They're sh*te and we can't be bothered".

Ronaldo looks at them and says "Well, I reckon I can beat these by myself, you lads go down the pub."

So Ronaldo goes out to play Scotland by himself and the rest of the Brazilian team go off for a few jars.

After a few pints they wonder how the game is going, so they get the landlord to put the teletext on. A big cheer goes up as the screen reads "Brazil 1 - Scotland 0 (Ronaldo 10minutes)". He is beating Scotland all by himself!

Anyway, a few more pints later and the game is forgotten until someone remembers "It must be full time now, let's see how he got on". They put the teletext on.

"Result from the Stadium "Brazil 1 (Ronaldo 10 minutes) - Scotland 1 (Angus 89 minutes)".

They can't believe it, he has single handedly got a draw against Scotland!! They rush back to the Stadium to congratulate him. They find him in the dressing room, still in his gear, sat with his head in his hands.

He refuses to look at them. "I've let you down, I've let you down."

"Don't be daft, you got a draw against Scotland, all by yourself. And they only scored at the very, very end!"

"No, No, I have, I've let you down... I got sent off after 12 minutes"

[Street Gerbil]

No, regardless of what you say about taking a piss, that was uncalled for. Very much so. Have courage to admit it. Let me ask you a question, if the ad were to say "we'll do business with everybody, even negroes", would you choose to be a patron of this business? I dare you.

Where this humour has no malice, surely there is no crime? Particularly if it's bloody funny

Yes, very fucking funny, my ass! We are not overreacting (yes I am Jewish and fucking proud of it). It is just how dehumanization starts. It starts with shits and giggles, and then one idiot takes it seriously and the next thing you know there is a bloodbath. Trust me, we take the "Never again" business very seriously. We fucking mean it.

New Zealanders don't HAVE this "negative mindset" - they never did.

Yeah right. Just read the fucking thread.

But as I said earlier, they choose to come here and be part of our culture, so they can suck it up - Its the kiwi way to take the piss in the friendly non-nasty manner, and mean nothing by it. Process it, boys and girls.

I would almost agree, but we tried it once and it didn't quite work out in Germany in late 30th. Some things should not be uttered even as a joke (see above).

yep too troo! i belong to at least two thirds of those 'sub groups' and dont feel the need to attempt to hold the remaining population of the western world to ransom over it

Let me guess. Could it be because none of those sub groups were dehumanized and exterminated like vermin in the recent past? Forgive me, that's not ransom. That's resisting dehumanization. We know all too well where it leads. Trust me. I've seen it in action (happened to be born in the wrong neighborhood).

there would be a bit more support for the Israelis if they stopped appropriating Palestinian land and bombing their children

Let me guess, we should stop using their blood for Matzos too? Uh oh. It is very easy to pass judgment if you only know one side of the story, especially as biased as it is being presented in New Zealand. What's much harder is to actually fire up your brains and to figure out what's actually going on and what are you not being told. Besides you really do not seem to be as worked up over daily missile attacks, snipers, lynchings and suicide bombers. What gives?

One last thing. I understand I am making myself a lot of enemies on on this forum by posting this. It is ok. If you think that the whole story is funny and the Jews must just suck it up, I do not want you to be my friend anyhow. Thank you all for clarifying where you stand. SG out.

My goodness. It's going up all the time. From 2.5 million at the end of the war.. Just lately it was about 4 million.. Feck.. they're all coming out of the woodwork to be part of it. It can't be THAT bad..

Dave, I hope it is just a poorly phrased joke. It is really difficult you know to figure out fast how many of my people died, when we were processed on the industrial scale. Ovens and mass graves have the tendency to hide the exact fugures.
Unfortunately both figures quoted in your post were optimistic (if the word "optimistic" can even be used here) estimates which proved to be inaccurate. We will never know the exact figure. We can just fight bigotry tooth and nail to ensure that it will never ever happen again. As above.

[CookMySock]

if they stopped appropriating Palestinian land and bombing their children.

oh come on now, take all the fun away why dontcha !!

DB

[Flatcap]

One last thing. I understand I am making myself a lot of enemies on on this forum by posting this.

Why would you think that? The purpose of this site is to exchange views.

It would be bloody boring if everyone agreed with each other...

[Dave Lobster]

Dave, I hope it is just a poorly phrased joke. It is really difficult you know to figure out fast how many of my people died, when we were processed on the industrial scale.

Not so. The Germans were/are VERY methodic in their documenting. The figures are massaged all the time by Israel/american sympathisers in order to further the jewish revenge that started when they ran the shambles that was the 'war crimes' tribunal post WW2.

Ovens and mass graves have the tendency to hide the exact figures.

No, it's jewish propaganda that is more effective at that. Ask any Palestinian..

Unfortunately both figures quoted in your post were optimistic (if the word "optimistic" can even be used here) estimates which proved to be inaccurate. We will never know the exact figure. We can just fight bigotry tooth and nail to ensure that it will never ever happen again. As above.

Proved by whom? Someone that was there? Someone without an agenda?
It's been happening for centuries. There were masacres of jews in England centuries before the one in Germany.

[McJim]

No, regardless of what you say about taking a piss, that was uncalled for. Very much so. Have courage to admit it. Let me ask you a question, if the ad were to say "we'll do business with everybody, even negroes", would you choose to be a patron of this business? I dare you.

There are more aspects to Judaism perceived by the great unwashed than the Holocaust or Israel. Is it not possible that the advert penned by Draft FCB was alluding to neither of those aspects and was, in fact, passing comment on how difficult it is to do business with a Jew since they are such hard negitiators (a reputation shared with my own folk!).

I don't work for Draft FCB so I'm not asserting anything. Just relating how I read the copy.

As another example - I would not wager money on myself to beat a person of African descent in the 100 metre dash nor would I pick me in a boxing match with a Maori. Does that make me a racist?

[Ixion]

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No, regardless of what you say about taking a piss, that was uncalled for. Very much so. Have courage to admit it. Let me ask you a question, if the ad were to say "we'll do business with everybody, even negroes", would you choose to be a patron of this business? I dare you.
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To be sure I would, if they sold that which I required. I am entirely liberal in such matters. Why, I'll even deal with establishments vthat do business with women. Or, dwarves, even . Indeed, so much so that I suspect that I amy have even done business with a establishment that would serve moderators. Can't get more liberal than that (can I add any more minorities to my list ?)

But, I will ask you , do you consider the joke, below, about the Scotch, to be equally objectionable? It too pokes fun at a particular race.

And if you do not, why not?

And do not, pray, respond, with something along the lines of "Because someone tried to kill our ancestors , and not theirs". I remember Culloden, and the clearances.

The Scotch got over it.