Singh family complaining about the police

[devnull]

If you're going to shoot me, I think I'd prefer to be shot with a 9mm though

Check this out...
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/teeth.asp

If you're really interested in different calibres, the Speer reloaders manual gives these sizes for rounds - 9mm is .3940" or 10.01mm at it's widest and the .40S&W is .4240" or 10.77mm

[Maki]

Mwahahahahahaha....(draws deep breath)...mwahahahaha...you are SO FUNNY!!!!

Yup, we've got so many Police we can afford to have them sitting around all armed up JUST IN CASE we have an armed incident 'somewhere' - mwahahahahaahahaahah!!!

And yes, we COULD have the Police ready to do the job we 'need of them' (dosn't include you of course Maki) - IF NZ had a population of say 3 million or less.!!

Google up to find out how many Police per 100,000 pop NZ has compared to equal countries...

Sorry to have to tell you this, but according to the police themselves, then I am right and you are wrong, Mwuhahahahaha!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10516286

"Police want armed patrols on Auckland's streets 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

"Armed response vehicles" would be manned by firearms specialists and provide a quick response to call-outs like last week's shooting of Manurewa liquor store owner Navtej Singh."

You used the emoticons showing "crazy" and "wacko" regarding my idea of having police ready. I guess you think the police are also crazy and wacko to present the same idea...

[spudchucka]

You simply misunderstand, you implied that there should be armed units sitting around ready to deploy to armed robberies. No such unit will ever be established. What we need is to accept that the police need to be routinely armed. This is the only way that we can achieve rapid response to armed incidents.

[SixPackBack]

You simply misunderstand, you implied that there should be armed units sitting around ready to deploy to armed robberies. No such unit will ever be established. What we need is to accept that the police need to be routinely armed. This is the only way that we can achieve rapid response to armed incidents.

The thought of giving any type of armament to a vindictive wanker like our local 'Ginga ninja' fills me full of dread.
Not every member of society is fit [nor allowed] to hold a fire arms licence, as police staff are pulled from this same pool it therefore follows not every member of our police force should be armed either........a steady stream of dodgy cops coming up on dangerous driving charges, rape and GBH puts enough doubt in the public's mind as to the sanity of such a proposal.

[jrandom]

I also think that officers should be given individual choice of sidearm. A 9mm is all very nice - light, easy to handle, etc., but doesn't have the same knockdown ability as the larger calibres e.g. .45ACP

Woohoo, let's have a 9mm vs .45 thread!



Actually, I believe that the .40S&W is the most popular sidearm calibre in American police departments these days. Packs significantly more punch than the 9mm, and you can fit a lot more rounds into a pistol than you can with .45ACP. Best of both worlds.

That story on Snopes about the sergeant's tooth stopping a 9mm bullet a foot away from the muzzle is pretty amazing. To be honest, though, I'd bet that it was a dud round of some sort, cheap badly-loaded Terrr Rist (tm) ammo, who knows...

I'm pretty sure that you could test the idea with animal heads and blow holes straight through them all day with a 9mm, so I'd say the sergeant owes his life to some form of mechanical malfunction.

[spudchucka]

The thought of giving any type of armament to a vindictive wanker like our local 'Ginga ninja' fills me full of dread.
Not every member of society is fit [nor allowed] to hold a fire arms licence, as police staff are pulled from this same pool it therefore follows not every member of our police force should be armed either........a steady stream of dodgy cops coming up on dangerous driving charges, rape and GBH puts enough doubt in the public's mind as to the sanity of such a proposal.

Then you are obviously willing to accept the response times required for cops to return to base in order to uplift arms as and when required.

You can't have it both ways.

[SixPackBack]

Then you are obviously willing to accept the response times required for cops to return to base in order to uplift arms as and when required.

You can't have it both ways.

What fucken response time??..........louts terrorised the neighbour hood a couple of weeks ago wrecking letterboxes, tagging, stealing shit etc.......still waiting for the police to turn up

Are you willing to give arms to officers incapable of handling the responsibility....?

[scumdog]

Sorry to have to tell you this, but according to the police themselves, then I am right and you are wrong, Mwuhahahahaha!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10516286

"Police want armed patrols on Auckland's streets 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

"Armed response vehicles" would be manned by firearms specialists and provide a quick response to call-outs like last week's shooting of Manurewa liquor store owner Navtej Singh."

You used the emoticons showing "crazy" and "wacko" regarding my idea of having police ready. I guess you think the police are also crazy and wacko to present the same idea...

There's a whole world of difference to what you said here:

"Maybe, in a big city such as Auckland their should actually be cops sitting there that are READY to respond to an armed offender, especially on a Saturday night."

And what is being 'wanted' in your later post above.

To have 'AOS on wheels' would leave staffing holes in other branches, reducing police available and needed for more routine stuff, SPB will be happy with that I'd say???.

In effect what is 'wanted' is routine arming of patrols already out there, already rostered on duty. That I can see is possible,

However watch for the sandal-wearing bleeding heart human right Pollyannas screeching their heads off, especially about the Taser Xrep and the 'bean-bag' loads for the shot-guns.

And don't hold your breath for this 'armed patrol' to roll-out next week.

[slofox]

.......but if there is one thing NZ cops can be proud off is the fact that they always put 100% into solving serous crime....

Like the Arthur Alan Thomas case for example??????

[MIXONE]

Like the Arthur Alan Thomas case for example??????

That was a case of 120%.(you know a little bit extra)

[alanzs]

Yeah, yea, yeah, the guys who did this will get a slap on the wrist, as they probably came from a bad family, their mums didn't hug them enough, their dads could be anyone and they were poor, they didn't get a good education, blah, blah, blah...
Look at that murderer Burton, he killed two people and still has a chance to get out on parole. WHY? Look at Tamihere, he killed a couple people and he wants to get out on parole. WHY?
The laws are too lenient on killers. They shouldn't ever be let out of jail. Let them die in their cells. Somethings are not acceptable in society, and murder is one of them. The victims who are dead will never have a second chance. JMHO.

[scumdog]

The laws are too lenient on killers. They shouldn't ever be let out of jail. Let them die in their cells. Somethings are not acceptable in society, and murder is one of them. The victims who are dead will never have a second chance. JMHO.

And those that don't want 'em to die should be paaying for their upkeep while in prison.

I for one could think of better ways for my taxes to be spent than keeping alive a useless reject from society

[tgb_novice]

Great work coppers in getting to the presumed bast@rds in such a short time
Credit due where it is due ah!!

Ok Summarizing , the major points we have learnt from this lengthy , sometime futile conversation is the below :-

1) Coppies are understaffed.
2) Arming them (Guns / Tasers ) is a quite a agreeable option to most .
3) Shoot them buggers when you catch them ()

Now who want to take this to the policy makers and make them see sense

[Ixion]

You simply misunderstand, you implied that there should be armed units sitting around ready to deploy to armed robberies. No such unit will ever be established. What we need is to accept that the police need to be routinely armed. This is the only way that we can achieve rapid response to armed incidents.

Hm. That makes me wonder if such incidents as this delay are being deliberately "arranged" to foster support for armed police. Do we really want a 19 year old Clint Rickards clone wandering around tooled up and itching to prove himself? I would fear to see great numbers of innocent people shot dead, and the cop protesting "But I was only following the SOP,and I could not be ABSOLUTELY certain that the old lady might not have a gun beneath her shawl".

But I am more interested in the statements that command of such situations is being left to constables. If true , that is a most unacceptable situation. Things have indeed come to a pretty pass when such crimes are regarded as the equal of , say, urinating in a public place.

The public pay a shit load of money for a vast number of high ranked (well, high paid, and ranking a lot more than constable, anyway) police officers. (Or managers or whatever they're calling them now - we're paying them, anyway). I certainly, (and I think Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker would share my sentiment) expect those highly paid scrambled eggs to be out there where the action is, leading from the front. If all they are doing is flying desks and writing SOPs then they don't justify their existence .

Someone once said that the British Army in 1914 was "paralysed by King's Regulations (the army's SOP)". Full of generals and field officers , who were shit hot at rules and procedures, but lousy at winning battles. And way short of fighting soldiers. Seems to me that the NZ police force has gone the same way . Paralysed by SOP. This latest incident is just the outward spread of what we have already seen in road policing. Once upon a time a copper would rise through the ranks by demonstrating good sense, initiative and an ability to "get results" and "keep things quiet" on his patch . Now those attributes are unwanted and deprecated. Cops are forbidden to use initiative or discretion (of course, some will ignore the rules and do so anyway - I doubt that such cops get promotion nowadays); and results are less important than "following the book".

I shall put one of my other hats on and write To Mr Broad about the issue of constables commanding at serious crime scenes. He probably will not reply, or will offer some glib meaninglessness (I have dealt with him in the past, he is a remarkanbly stupid man), so I will also write to Mr Hawkins , who has expressed some interest in the matter. We shall see what happens.

[spudchucka]

Hm. That makes me wonder if such incidents as this are being deliberately "arranged" to foster support for armed police.

I didn't read beyond the first sentence, you're in lah lah land.