Singh family complaining about the police

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ya seen what a solid slig does to ANYTHING? - an 'oops sorry' won't quite cover it if you hit something you were not meant to.

it's like cooking innit? "Never explain, never apologise"

[Swoop]

Even cross eyed fumble fingers can hit a man from that distance with a little training.

I'd be more concernd with PC "Fumble" who fires 10 rounds to get that 1 round on-target.

[SixPackBack]

TBH scummie... 00 doesn't spread very much. i.e. about 8" at 30 yards. (I should mention, that 00 is only 5 or 6 big chunks of lead)

Grab a shotgun, a piece of paper, and try it out (shotguns are still the preferred weapon for most soldiers when fighting in close quarters). I think you'll be surprised

A solid is pretty unforgiving, but it does give you more range. Popping one into a mag then pumping the next round in is just practice, just the same as clearing stoppages or changing mags on a rifle

A solid will easily pass through a car door, and give whoever's inside a very bad day.

Given that cops tend to hesitate before shooting (at least the ones I've seen on ranges do), having to place a shot carefully at close range is asking a lot. Ideal placement for a .223 round is in the upper chest - at close range, with an offender rushing you, the chances of that happening is pretty small.

Plus, the intimidation factor of the 12 gauge barrel means that you may not even have to pull the trigger

To offer some balance, here's an interesting article on the effectiveness of the .223
http://www.steyr-aug.com/223forcqb.htm

but I still think that unless the Police give staff a whole shitload more range time (e.g. 24 hours per month instead of per year), it's a recipe for disaster.

24 hours a year training??? and we give the average copper a Glock?
No thanks.

[scumdog]

24 hours a year training??? and we give average copper a Glock?
No thanks.

'0' training and we give people a drivers license???

No wonder cars kill more NZers than guns!!

[devnull]

'0' training and we give people a drivers license???

No wonder cars kill more NZers than guns!!

Good point... but still, more range time should be made available...
TBH, not doing so is unfair on the staff, who are all too well aware that they'll be crucified if they screw up

[FJRider]

See my above post regarding shotguns and the spread of buckshot - the old rule of thumb is: "One inch of spread for every yard of travel".

IF a baddie is hit centre mass (or even the legs, head) with a Police 223 round there won't be any worthwhile bullet or fragments that will carry on right through.

Thai Police use Dum Dums... ONE shot, ONE person STOPS !!!
Hit the WRONG Person... BUGGER...SHOOT AGAIN !!!
By comparison... Kiwi cops are (un ???)fairly restrained.

[SixPackBack]

'0' training and we give people a drivers license???

No wonder cars kill more NZers than guns!!

So it would be okay to give poorly trained police hand-guns because we have poorly trained drivers?
Nice try at passing the ball out scumdog.

[FJRider]

So it would be okay to give poorly trained police hand-guns because we have poorly trained drivers?
Nice try at passing the ball out scumdog.

Go face to face with ANY Police "person" and TELL them they are poorly trained...I DARE YA

[SixPackBack]

Go face to face with ANY Police "person" and TELL them they are poorly trained...I DARE YA

WTF.....strange comment dude? I can only assume your a cop or scumdogs boyfreind...lighten up

[Patrick]

...if some fuckwith advances on an armed pleecemin and doesnt stop when asked then he takes the consequences, end of story, no handwriging.

Like the Christchurch hammer weilding dropkick... the hands are still being wrung over that one...

[QUOTE=devnull;1612011- ....at close range, with an offender rushing you, the chances of that happening is pretty small. [/QUOTE]

Which is why the Bushmaster is good at long range - THAT suits me fine...

I'd be more concernd with PC "Fumble" who fires 10 rounds to get that 1 round on-target.

PC "Fumble" getting 1 shot on target out of 10 wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the gun cabinet... You can relax.

[spudchucka]

I'd be more concernd with PC "Fumble" who fires 10 rounds to get that 1 round on-target.

If they were that bad they would never get the required certification to use police firearms. And I'm in no doubt that the dog guy from Wgtn had his certification cancelled.

[spudchucka]

Good point... but still, more range time should be made available...
TBH, not doing so is unfair on the staff, who are all too well aware that they'll be crucified if they screw up

You'd get no argument from most cops on this issue.

[SixPackBack]

You'd get no argument from most cops on this issue.

Nor the public I would imagine. If it could be shown that officers received regular intensive training backed up with some sort of stringent 'police gun licence' it would be a hell of a lot easier to bring arms in.
This needs to be coupled with a realistic attitude to a copper making the inevitable mistake. Are we ready for that?

[98tls]

Nor the public I would imagine. If it could be shown that officers received regular intensive training backed up with some sort of stringent 'police gun licence' it would be a hell of a lot easier to bring arms in.
This needs to be coupled with a realistic attitude to a copper making the inevitable mistake. Are we ready for that?

Methinks the real world is but KB may well be a different story.

[scumdog]

So it would be okay to give poorly trained police hand-guns because we have poorly trained drivers?
Nice try at passing the ball out scumdog.

Never said that at all, just showed how Kiwis are quite happy with thousands half-assed drivers with no training to share the roads with but a few hundred cops with less than optimum training equiped with firearms they may never fire in their whole career is a big no-no..

But since you mentioned it guess it makes sense......