The Evil Bastards come out of hiding again

**Hinny** · 23rd June 2008, 19:36

Originally Posted by Edbear

The law has always been able to deal with child abuse, and the change in the law hasn't made much difference.

Clearly the message that Sue Bradford consistently and repeatedly conveyed was not received, understood and accepted by all in our society.

**inlinefour** · 23rd June 2008, 19:37

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

Thank you for your whiny arsed opinion

The answer is to put the catholic church in charge of raising all the children... They are well intentioned and completely trustworthy

Is that a Tui advert? How do you make a nun pregnant? Dress her up as an alterboy!

**Usarka** · 23rd June 2008, 19:39

Originally Posted by Hinny

Clearly the message that Sue Bradford consistently and repeatedly conveyed was not received, understood and accepted by all in our society.

What message?

**Trudes** · 23rd June 2008, 19:40

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

Yes, but remember what is really important is what we teach the child - If we teach them "I can hit you to force you to do as I say" then they will grow up believing this, and then act it out.

It will take quite a few generations before this way of thinking is bred out, and for now there will a lot of feelings of inadequacy. We have no choice except to not smack.

I feel for the minority groups in society for which smacking is normal - they have light years to travel before their family begins to believe coercion of any type won't work, because unfortunately for them it does work well.

DB

Too true. I was never beaten as a kid, but had a few smacks and I sure as shit had respect for the fact that neither of my parents wouldn't hesitate to give me a kick up the arse if it was coming to me.
And I would probably have done the same to my kids if I hadn't learned to exercise some self-control and figure out other ways to discipline from being a nanny. I am legally not allowed to smack the kids I look after (and fair enough too, even though there have been many times I wish I could've!), so I use other ways to discipline, and they have all worked.
Admittedly, kids are generally better behaved for other people than their parents, but then also parents should have unconditional love for their kids and not want to harm them. There are ways to discipline kids without having to resort to violence and fear, by acting like an adult and using a cool head because usually a smack is delivered to a child when the parent is angry and what does the kid learn from that? When you're angry you should hit who you're angry at?

**Edbear** · 23rd June 2008, 19:42

Originally Posted by inlinefour

Is that a Tui advert? How do you make a nun pregnant? Dress her up as an alterboy!

Based on the history of the priests, that wouldn't work... if you think about it... unless they missed what they were aiming for...

**rat biker 08** · 23rd June 2008, 19:52

Yes it is fucked up if a kid under 16 hits you what do thay get nothing.
Thay are under age and yes you cant smack them

WE are to pc .

**inlinefour** · 23rd June 2008, 19:53

Originally Posted by Edbear

Based on the history of the priests, that wouldn't work... if you think about it... unless they missed what they were aiming for...

Your right although you'd think some must prefer a red mess to clean up than the brown type? Yell hail Mary three times and repeat the process the next night. Personally I think they should throw those types in with the general inmates, make sure they all know why, stick them all in the same room and give the guards the night off. I bet the reoffending drops after that.

**Usarka** · 23rd June 2008, 19:55

Originally Posted by rat biker 08

Yes it is fucked up if a kid under 16 hits you what do thay get nothing.
Thay are under age and yes you cant smack them

WE are to pc .

The balance of power is with the kids?

The country will turn out just choice

**MIXONE** · 23rd June 2008, 20:03

Originally Posted by Usarka

I saw an albatross today.

What flavour was it?

**Usarka** · 23rd June 2008, 20:07

Originally Posted by MIXONE

What flavour was it?

You really wouldn't believe it.

It was strawberry!

**Trouser** · 23rd June 2008, 20:08

Originally Posted by Usarka

The country will turn out just choice

Is that one of those maori acheivement badges?

**James Deuce** · 23rd June 2008, 20:13

I don't get it? For some reason this has ended up becoming an argument between hitting and not hitting. It isn't. How I discipline my children is no one's business unless I choose to ask for their support and help.

It does not need to be legislated. It is a "bad" law based on the premise that all NZers are violent criminals.

**Usarka** · 23rd June 2008, 20:15

Originally Posted by James Deuce

I don't get it? For some reason this has ended up becoming an argument between hitting and not hitting. It isn't. How I discipline my children is no one's business unless I choose to ask for their support and help.

It does not need to be legislated. It is a "bad" law based on the premise that all NZers are violent criminals.

You are obviously a bad parent - the type this country does not want nor need.

(p/t).