What is your solution to the gang violence of late?

[Mike748]

Give the power back to the community.

Parents, Smack those kids. Teach em wrong from right.

Schools, Find that cane, Use it on the trouble makers, teach kids responsibility.

Cops, Kick there arses, box their ears, Humiliate em.

Justice system, PUNISH PEOPLE,EVEN KIDS, Work camps in our national parks will do it.

The Community, Stand up and be counted, The power is the people, Its just a matter of wielding it. Hell, when shit goes down with hearing distance of my house, even if just the rattle of a spray can, I go out and see what's going on, Met a few people that way, surprised a few people that way. If everyone done so then taggers would be out of business.

That aside, I reckon we have 2 generations of wasted useless pieces of shit in our society, That can't be saved from themselves, write them off, Drop all the PC bullshit and pathetic cultural sensitive moronic weak shit and concentrate on the next lot of kids through the block.

Gangs aren't the problem, Criminals are, and we already have laws against crime, The system just tolerates them, in many cases encourages them, and we as a community accept it.

+1

If something sounds odd near our place we will check it out, have met the neighbours in the middle of the street before now, even late at night.
Just a thought......
I don't like the term zero tolerance because it doesn't allow flexibility, but I do believe every issue should be addressed.
For the younger trouble makers, if they knew that someone was watching and that action would be taken if they crossed the line then I believe that this would take away the appeal of the "bad ass" image. I would like to see trouble makers monitored in such a way as to remove all privacy from their lives, only those that can live within society's rules should get to have privacy.

[Trudes]

I like your style Madam. Great Idea
THEN either A. Nuke the fuckers that are left
or B. Ship the rest of them out to an Iceberg and leave them on it.
Not fair to Filthy up a pristine island like Kapiti Island.

Maybe someone already thought of that, sent them to Invercargilllllll to do it!

[Toaster]

...The system just tolerates them, in many cases encourages them, and we as a community accept it.

I agree with your ideas in your post. I go further to say that its not so much that it is accepted, but more like begrudgingly "put up with", especially by those not directly feeling the effects of gang behaviour and the huge drug and crime impact gangs have in NZ both directly and indirectly.

We are way too apathetic in this country. That's why so many get away with so much and for little consequence.

[Delerium]

Have a quote on their patches, you know like they used to on possoms, x amount of dollars per patch

[jrandom]

NZ middle class are smoking so much crack...

What is it with people calling methamphetamine 'crack'?

'Crack' is freebase cocaine.

I can understand calling meth 'P', but what's up with calling one drug by an established slang name for another?

[Toaster]

Problem is the Bill of Rights passed into law in 1990 gives them way too much power. Criminal scum don't deserve rights or financial benefits, especially when creaming drug and intimidation money under the table.

[Conquiztador]

There is this big thing made out of P. But speed has been around for ages. It is nothing new. Yes, things have changed, but the gangs have always been the ones selling it. Drugs will always be around, and until the government starts selling them and makes them available to all at a low price the issue will not go away (and with the brilliant idea of taking party pills away, what is the chance of this??). So the only solution is to provide alternatives, give the kids better things to do with their time then be drugged out. Boredom is a big reason many turn to drugs. And once there it is hard to get out.

But back to the gang problem. For kids to want to join gangs there must be reasons. Take away those reasons and the gangs will, if not go away, then atleast fade to the background. No new members = fading away.

[MisterD]

The older gang members,those who have been in from the beginning are the ones saying they are changing their ways....they have seen the past and can see the future.The gangs need to be led from within,these are the guys who can lead the change.

Fark. Motu is really Pita Sharples.

[Swoop]

3 petty offences, 1 month in jail.

Nope. Town hall stocks.
Minor offences = X amount of time in the stocks, with the public allowed to go and throw whatever rotten food, etc, at them. 24hrs a day, rain hail or shine.

send the SAS after them, im sure they would get rid of them quick enough. aqnd it would make great tv

This has already happened on an unofficial basis. A private affair ended up quite nicely...

[MisterD]

Nope. Town hall stocks.
Minor offences = X amount of time in the stocks, with the public allowed to go and throw whatever rotten food, etc, at them. 24hrs a day, rain hail or shine.

I reckon that's the one for taggers, they want to be well known by slapping their tag all over town? Fine, grant their wish...

[Usarka]

The older gang members,those who have been in from the beginning are the ones saying they are changing their ways....they have seen the past and can see the future.The gangs need to be led from within,these are the guys who can lead the change.

I heard a very interesting man on the radio the other day. He said current law and enforcement won't change and proposed a solution along these lines:

• There are two types of gangs:
• "Organised" - eg mongrel mob. These guys are more interested in profit and tend to fight amongst themselves not the public.
• "Street Gangs" - bored, angry, unorganised. These are the ones causing the public concern.
• It is extremely unlikey that we will get rid of either gangs (changing laws on obtaining spray paint really isn't going to do it).
• Liquor is often a fuelling factor in the street gangs crimes (either obtaining it or as a result of its use)
• Possible solution: Regulate liquor sales so that the organised gangs find it profitable to supply the "street" gangs.
• The new supplier relationship may bring the two groups together and provide some role models and direction from the older organised guys.

[Mr Merde]

I have noticed that a few persons on this thread have advocated the use of the "army" in an attempt to handle this problem.

I would just like to point out that, according to online goverment references, our entire military forces total approximately 8000 persons. Thats army, navy and airforce.

What can they do?

Especially when you realise that our police force now numbers almost 10,000 persons and have proven to be ineffective at combating this problem.

Maybe people are tending towards the military as they are perceived to be trained to react to violent situations but guess again. The NZ Army has been, over the past 30 years, emasculated and wouldnt know what to do without first getting the advice of the PC brigade and OSH.

Personally I feel that there is not enough deterant to stop persons commiting these crimes.

As Gilbert & Sullivan wrote in one of their operetas

"Let the punishment fit the crime"

[NOMIS]

Give the power back to the community.

Parents, Smack those kids. Teach em wrong from right.

Schools, Find that cane, Use it on the trouble makers, teach kids responsibility.

Cops, Kick there arses, box their ears, Humiliate em.

Justice system, PUNISH PEOPLE,EVEN KIDS, Work camps in our national parks will do it.

The Community, Stand up and be counted, The power is the people, Its just a matter of wielding it. Hell, when shit goes down with hearing distance of my house, even if just the rattle of a spray can, I go out and see what's going on, Met a few people that way, surprised a few people that way. If everyone done so then taggers would be out of business.

That aside, I reckon we have 2 generations of wasted useless pieces of shit in our society, That can't be saved from themselves, write them off, Drop all the PC bullshit and pathetic cultural sensitive moronic weak shit and concentrate on the next lot of kids through the block.

Gangs aren't the problem, Criminals are, and we already have laws against crime, The system just tolerates them, in many cases encourages them, and we as a community accept it.

Very well put

[Lias]

Solving the "gang" problem is very simple.

Bring back the death penalty.
Introduce russian/chinese style gulag labour camps to replace prisons.
Legalise self defense with lethal force by passing strong castle laws.
Pass a "3 strikes your out" law for all repeat serious offenders. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us, fool us thrice get a bullet in the head.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Bring back the death penalty.

Bring back public humiliation