The Evil Bastards come out of hiding again

[jonbuoy]

Is that 'cos you are a Pom?
I have noticed that violence is ingrained into English society almost as much as in US society.

Glad I don't live in either of those countries.
Maybe that is an option for those that don't like the society we have here or the society we will have.
Emigrate!

The country is overpopulated and we should employ the fifo principle to further societal harmony.

(fifo = fit in or fuck off)

NZ Overpopulated?? Your having a laugh aren't you? NZ has a higher proportional rate of child deaths killed by family members than the UK, population in UK is around 61 million with an average of 79 children killed per year. Population of NZ is 4.5 million with an average of 10 children killed per year. Nearly a 30% increase proportionally. FWIW I don't agree with adults hitting kids full stop, there shouldn't need to be a law. Either way at least 89 people should be swung by their necks every year

[awayatc]

Only a certain ethic group here seems to be responsible for those inexcusable
monstrosities here.....U telling me that group is 8x as big in the UK?.....
You got to compare apples with apples and P.. with P...

Neckswinging numbers should be way higher though.....or is this just a weekly estimate?....

[devnull]

What a shame that the UN finally pressured Spain into adopting this silly law.

For those that don't know, Spain had no such foolishness, but rank best in the world for child abuse statistics, with an incidence rate of only 0.1 per 100,000

Perhaps if the lefty extremists didn't advocate all rights but no responsibilities, then we wouldn't be so deeply in the shit.
The UK is no better - I see Gordon Brown has now signed away a great chunk of their sovereignty to the EU....

[Hinny]

NZ Overpopulated?? Your having a laugh aren't you?

Only a certain ethic group here seems to be responsible for those inexcusable monstrosities here.....

Well there's a start.

Even though our terms of trade at the moment are the best they have been for thirty five years imagine what the terms of trade would be if we had half the population.
The major earners in this country are Tourism and Farming.
Tourism relies to a huge extent on the fact that we have very few people. The Mainland cheese ad. springs to mind here. I hate being time poor. I'd love to see our roads with half the number of vehicles on them.
Farming has been our major export earner for many many years. This comes from around 150,000 people. These people are largely responsible for our high dollar value; the reason we can buy stuff so cheaply today.
If we were to concentrate on those industries where we have a comparative advantage and shop for what we want on a world market this country would Boom! It is, perhaps, the philosophy that Roger Douglas followed. He just missed out on the lowering of the population part of the doctrine.
A good Right winger mate of mine (Son of a Policeman) reckons about 2,500 people need to be lined up against the wall for the first year and maybe 1,500 the next etc.
He was venting his frustration at having to deal with children of his partner and the offspring of those children. They and their mates have all been raised with a lot of discipline. (Their Dad was a soldier)
Does not seem to have done them any good.
A child psychologist client says that unless children are cradled, hugged and generally nurtured a lot in their first three years a part of their brain does not develop and they grow up with a lack of empathy. (Brain Waves Trust) They are unlikely to ever develop this. So instead of worrying about whether one is going to become a criminal for smacking away the hand of a child trying to put a fork into a power socket worry about getting fit enough to love and nurture your child.

[alanzs]

From my experience that is a popular misconception.
My kids are far more socially advanced than any of my peers were at the same age. The teachers with the more relaxed approach always got the best results.
Our teachers used to beat us with a ferocity that would probably see them locked up today. 6 of the best left 6 bleeding welts.Did that make me respect the perpetrator? The hell it did.
The kids I grew up with that the strictest discipline became the worst.

Sorry to say it, and this is only anecdotal evidence at best, as a teacher of a year 5 class (9-10 year olds) the best behaved children generally are not the Kiwi kids. The immigrant children take school much more seriously, respect the teachers more and try a whole lot harder than the Kiwi kids. Frankly, the Kiwi parents are the ones who come up with the most excuses why their little precious darling didn't do their homework, can't do PE or can't get to school on time. They are usually the ones who don't come to parent interviews or have any interest in their kids education. This is a general statement, of course, but it is one I SEE EVERYDAY, and have for years. I work at a mid-low decile school. I also am the only male teacher there.

I have had kids tell me that they don't need school, as their parents didn't and McDonalds and KFC always have jobs available. I point out that they do need to read the job application though.

Carry on...

[jonbuoy]

What a shame that the UN finally pressured Spain into adopting this silly law.

For those that don't know, Spain had no such foolishness, but rank best in the world for child abuse statistics, with an incidence rate of only 0.1 per 100,000

Perhaps if the lefty extremists didn't advocate all rights but no responsibilities, then we wouldn't be so deeply in the shit.
The UK is no better - I see Gordon Brown has now signed away a great chunk of their sovereignty to the EU....

The family unit is still sacred in Spain and lot of the other catholic countries in the med', its not unusual to see families out on the town having a meal and few drinks WITH their kids - some only toddlers at midnight or later. And they seem all the more closer and well behaved for it. So much for kids needing early nights and hard disipline.

[MisterD]

A child psychologist client says that unless children are cradled, hugged and generally nurtured a lot in their first three years a part of their brain does not develop and they grow up with a lack of empathy. (Brain Waves Trust) They are unlikely to ever develop this. So instead of worrying about whether one is going to become a criminal for smacking away the hand of a child trying to put a fork into a power socket worry about getting fit enough to love and nurture your child.

That's a stupid argument - why should smacking your child and cuddling your child be mutually exclusive?

Kids need to know right from wrong, they need boundaries and there needs to be consequences for crossing those boundaries. Sometimes a swift smack to the bum is what's required to get the message across - this is not the same as as default reaction to a thrashing with a kettle power cord.

[Finn]

Probably been said but if it hasn't it needs to be. The anti smacking law has had no effect on child abuse. Beatings and murders still continue like it's our national past time.

Surely you didn't think such a law would make a difference.

[Hinny]

That's a stupid argument - why should smacking your child and cuddling your child be mutually exclusive?

Obvious, I would have thought.

[alanzs]

That's a stupid argument - why should smacking your child and cuddling your child be mutually exclusive?

Kids need to know right from wrong, they need boundaries and there needs to be consequences for crossing those boundaries. Sometimes a swift smack to the bum is what's required to get the message across - this is not the same as as default reaction to a thrashing with a kettle power cord.

Shhh, you're fucking up the thread with logic.

[alanzs]

Probably been said but if it hasn't it needs to be. The anti smacking law has had no effect on child abuse. Beatings and murders still continue like it's our national past time.

Surely you didn't think such a law would make a difference.

+1
A knee jerk reaction law and more evidence of the ever encroaching nanny state trampling on our freedoms. Someone is really going to tell me how to raise my child? They can mind their own business.

My kid runs in the street, he gets a whack on his bottom so he'll remember never to do it again. Short, fast, simple and effective.

Carry on.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think the Ramones said it best when they said:

Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat
with a baseball bat
Oh yeah"

of course the literal meaning seems quite alarming, but its like reading Shakespeare: there is a lot of cultural context and meaning to the lyrics that might be lost on some readers. For example: the reference to "Brat" is obvious, its child. But whose child? your child, my child, our child: or child in some wider social context: perhaps child here is a reference to society, and how we as a society might think of some of its lesser empowered members: minorities perhaps, or the disabled (or "lesser abled" as I like to call them).

And "beat on" well again, obviously it doesnt literally mean "To beat, as in "to hit", some of us think that in this context it means "to take umbrage" or to "be outraged", or perhaps "to treat less well than they should be treated"

Similarly, the "baseball bat" referred to isn't an actual baseball bat: its the metephoric one, referring to all of the myriad social, political economic and other pressures on any given sector of society, including post colonialism and the angst associated with that.

and "oh yeah"? Well that signifies agreement from a like minded section of society.

So, in conclusion it is fairly obvious that the lyrics to "Beat on the Brat" are a protest song, about Pakeha oppression and the post colonial struggle being undertaken by the Maori in New Zealand in 2008. Thats obviously what Joey was thinking when he penned these lyrics in 1978: its obvious innit?

[awayatc]

ramones do kapa haka pretty good

[alanzs]

I think the Ramones said it best when they said:



of course the literal meaning seems quite alarming, but its like reading Shakespeare: there is a lot of cultural context and meaning to the lyrics that might be lost on some readers. For example: the reference to "Brat" is obvious, its child. But whose child? your child, my child, our child: or child in some wider social context: perhaps child here is a reference to society, and how we as a society might think of some of its lesser empowered members: minorities perhaps, or the disabled (or "lesser abled" as I like to call them).

And "beat on" well again, obviously it doesnt literally mean "To beat, as in "to hit", some of us think that in this context it means "to take umbrage" or to "be outraged", or perhaps "to treat less well than they should be treated"

Similarly, the "baseball bat" referred to isn't an actual baseball bat: its the metephoric one, referring to all of the myriad social, political economic and other pressures on any given sector of society, including post colonialism and the angst associated with that.

and "oh yeah"? Well that signifies agreement from a like minded section of society.

So, in conclusion it is fairly obvious that the lyrics to "Beat on the Brat" are a protest song, about Pakeha oppression and the post colonial struggle being undertaken by the Maori in New Zealand in 2008. Thats obviously what Joey was thinking when he penned these lyrics in 1978: its obvious innit?

WOW! And to think, I always liked that song. That and "I don't like Monday's." Great tune to go shooting with...

[Manxman]

Probably been said but if it hasn't it needs to be. The anti smacking law has had no effect on child abuse. Beatings and murders still continue like it's our national past time.

Surely you didn't think such a law would make a difference.

Wot he said.

Anyone who thinks anything different, is living in La-La land, or smokin some really good shti.